Old NJ looking at 2002 prado

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Hi all

Ive a nj with 310 000 on her. Its the 2.8 intercooled diesel, been a great little truck all over the place. Its getting a bit old i fear and so i found a 2002 3lt prado...

No this is where im confused..... Should i spend 7k for injectors, turbo locker, long range tank and so on and she will be good as gold or grab the prado...... very nice car buy $24000!!!!!!!!!!

thoughts on what you would do??

ps, money is available, but worth it i guess is the question.........??

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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 07:47

Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 07:47
Hunt around with the new Prado out there are lots of the newer 120 series on the market with better engines for the same $ as you are looking at spending.

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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 08:01

Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 08:01
Went through the same question a year or so ago.
Bit of a hard one!

Paj same as yours (1996) now with 340k up.
Needed a new head. Did it up and still going strong.
Decided to stick with the Paj for another 3 to 4 years yet.
Should do 500k no problem. Had a look at the bores when the head was off and not any heavy wear.
Reckon the Paj is cheaper for parts, and it already has all the accessories I need, such as you have mentioned plus more.

If you are going prado, try and get the D4D diesel, or a good discount on the older 3l.

Wish you well in your deliberations.
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Follow Up By: troyza - Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 19:00

Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 19:00
mmm it is hard!

the only thing thats had to be changed on my paj was the radiator... not bad for 300000k!!!

What else have you had to fix? They are a tough reliable old truck and a fantastic tourer, but have you since wished you were in something a little newer?

Thing is, ive taken her all over but no extra tank, no locker, but now im thinking i would like the options. The prado im looking at has them and its only done 120k.

I gues im thinking ill be paying up a bit come 2 or 3 years so why not just do it now?? BUT i like tho old paj

aaarrrrrrrrr very confused!
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Sunday, Apr 18, 2010 at 20:41

Sunday, Apr 18, 2010 at 20:41
300,000 without very much work is a good run.

In last 80,000k have had new clutch, suspension bushes front and rear, fuel injection pump, redid the alternator anyway, starter motor, so main reason I kept it, know I have at least another 100000 at least.
Extras are long range tank (from old 1986 NB), bullbar, snorkel, 2nd battery and fridge, 16" rims with LT tyres, plus a bit more. So maybe in a different situation to you.
Think you might be right thinking about a newer prado. All that work I have done is going to catch you sooner or later. :o)

Has done a fair bit of touring out west.
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Follow Up By: troyza - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 17:20

Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 17:20
well................ ive just run into a 92 nh 2.5td. I know a bit slow.... but, brand new engine (the whole thing!), long range tank, old man emu, snorkle, cargo barrier, bull bar and winch, front and rear lockers, dual bats, front runner rack, electric break for trailer, cooper st, new fuel pump, clutch, air locker front and back. All in perfect condition, was done up to tour but never happened...

and $9000. now thats good to me................. dont think i can pass it up!

with lockers i dont need all the power off road and get better economy on!

woooo :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 21:19

Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 21:19
Sounds good.

If you want a little more power look at th eturbo and wastegate.
There is a rod that goes between the turbo and wastegate with a screw adjustment, just give it a turn or two for a few more psi. :o)

The safety blow off valve on the manifold is set to 20 psi, so a max of 15 or 16 works fine. Standard is 11 psi. Might need a boost guage though.

Thise 2.5 motors are stronger than the 2.8.
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Follow Up By: Mark S (cns) - Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 23:06

Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 23:06
Yep the 2.5td is a good donk. I had a triton with this 4d56t motor. Never any dramas. You could run more boost, however mine was factory set at about 8psi, and I never changed this as it was OK. Might be a bit slower in a heavier paj though.
Interesting in that when i had a faulty wastegate actuator (256,000k down the track), the safety blow off was actually cutting in at 9-10 psi (checked with a guage), so I could run around knowing the turbo was never going to over boost until I finally got hold of another 2nd hand actuator (mitsi wanted $500 for one and no wrecker would separate one from a complete turbo!)

Check that brand new engine - they are a popular jap import motor , check for signs of injector or pump wear i.e they will chuck out a heap of black smoke if you give it a good bootfull while idling.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 at 07:33

Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 at 07:33
Mark, you have lost me a little.

The waste gate on the turbo does play up some times.
Mine had a bit of wear and wouldn't go past 9 psi.

But isn't there another safety blow off valve on the back end of the manifold?

When I turned my boost up on the 2.8 to 15 psi, the manifold one kept blowing off like the ricers do. Big woosh at each gear change. Worked out the 2.5 manifold valve was set to 20 psi, while the 2.8 manifold one was set at 16 psi. So put a 2.5 one in my pajero.

Reckon nissan should have done the same with the 3litre patrol.
A safety valve on the manifold might have saved a few engines.

It is a bit of a pain when it does go, have to wait a second or two to reseat, before you get boost back. Not good when you are on the wrong side of the white line passing a semi like a friend of mine was in his 2.5 pajero, but that 2.5 was faster than my stock 2.8.
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Follow Up By: Mark S (cns) - Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:35

Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:35
John, what happened with mine was that the wastegate actuator stopped working. the wastegate itself was OK (the actuator is the round bizzo that the top of the rod goes into - u prob knew that...:), and with this not working, the wastegate wasn't opening up. therefore boost wasn't controlled, so the safety blow off at the back of the manifold kicked in. It was doing as you say, but it gave the 'woosh' if i gave it too much throttle as oposed to the ricers gear change.
While it was doing this, I went to a turbo place, and they put a guage on and I went for a drive to determine the pressure reached before the safety valve let woosh. When it went off, the guage was at 9-10psi and wouldn't go above that
The woosh wasn't constant, more random
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 08:55

Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 08:55
if you can buy a D4D Prado for $24K I'd hate to see the rest of it...
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Follow Up By: troyza - Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 19:02

Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 19:02
i agree! ive found a couple around $26 but from mines and just not very tidy, you pay that much you want tidy!
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Reply By: t303 - Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 09:41

Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 09:41
I live by the maxim "never buy MK1 of anything". Bought a 120k kilometre 2002 TD 95 series Prado for $22k because:
-1KZ-TE engine, proven but no powerhouse, NOT common rail (pumps $6-8k, injectors $1k each or similar. I personally know owners of D4D CRD that have had pumps and injectors done under warranty). For more power get it chipped, I have a Safari DTronic.
-reportedly tougher and stronger offroad
-no cracking firewalls or dash, seems to be a problem on 120 series.

My opinion: most reliable option with less $ to fix it as it ages.
Search on those topics over at Pradopoint and read up.
cheers
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Follow Up By: troyza - Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 19:07

Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 19:07
sounds like the one im looking at and the same reasons why! this one is $24, bull bar, winch, dual bat, cargo barrier, nice and green too!

Ive heard they are better in all aspects just a little under powered, but plenty much for what most need....

are you loving it?

Must say not much goes wrong with the paj though, only fixed the radiator out of 300 000k! Honest, think they are most reliable models, of any 4wd! and ive had and 80 series, troopy, disco, hilux.........
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Follow Up By: t303 - Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 19:42

Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 at 19:42
Yep, for all the reasons!
It's proven, basic, so doesn't need to see the inside of a stealership sheltered workshop, plenty of spares and gear available cheap on Fleabay. Even picked up a set of 5 new 16x7 GXL steel rims from Toyota, about $110 each at the moment. Mine equipped exactly as yours, so you will need to budget for replacement suspension if not already done. I reckon I am only about an inch off the bump stops at the front due all the extra weight. My old man has had same model for 6 years with no dramas. Can't go too far wwrong with them I reckon.
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