the eagle, talawane and david carnegie HWY in wa, ACCESS PROBS

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i am planning a trip but need some info, does the EAGLE HWY extension that hits the talawana 45 klm west of windy corner, and travels south to the gunbarell, DOES IT GO THROUGH , NO GATES ETC then the david carneggie to the great cenrtal, WE ASSUME NO PROBS, BUT south from Rawlina to coclilbiddy has an friendly farmer
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Reply By: equinox - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 19:54

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There's no gates bennos..

South from Rawlinna is another story.

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Follow Up By: bennos - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 20:42

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thanks for the quisk reply, we did not know if blocked due to private property. if we do to haig before we turn sth to cockilbiddy is that ok
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Follow Up By: equinox - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 21:06

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I'm don't know about the Haig route...some on here will know

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Reply By: Member - John - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 20:06

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G'day,when are you planning your trip for? Coming down that way in early Sept. John
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Follow Up By: bennos - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 20:43

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john we are going mid july
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 20:58

Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 20:58
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The David Carnegie is a good road. The top section above Empress Spring has sections of big washaways, but no problems. South of Empress Springs to the Great Central is a walk in the park, well graded and in sections able to sit on speeds of up to 80 kms - just watch out for camels.

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Reply By: Mick O - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 21:50

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No gates and a good run down the Eagle. A bit corrugated past Mungili Outstation where the sandlewooders are in operation. Have a look here;

Talawana and Eagle Highway

Eagle - David Carnegie

Connie sue heading south

Connie Sue south of Neal junction

Connie Sue - Rawlinna-Haig to Coclebiddy


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Reply By: Member Dick (Int) - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 22:43

Tuesday, Apr 20, 2010 at 22:43
Stephen L, Mick O and Alan G,

You are the experts on these area's so I would like to ask for your interperation of Mick Hutton's recent post (thread 77730) regarding the Martu Native Title Determined Area as it effects the Eagle Hwy.

Am I correct in thinking you can still travel the Eagle Hwy (or other desert tracks made by Len B or the Oil Co's) within the Martu Native Title Determined Area without a permit provided you stay on or close to the road, but if you want to visit the Warri Site or the Ngarinarri Claypan or one of the Airstrips near the road you must apply for a Permit and as Mick is telling us, you will probably be refused.

Is my understanding correct?

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 08:08

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Hi Dick
Mick and Alan may be better qualified to comment, but in the past you just went to the area. I like many people were shocked to read what Mick Hutton submitted and if it all goes ahead, will effect travel in the northern areas of WA Deserts. The best part about WA, in my personal opinion is that it has the BEST desert areas in Australia for remote four wheel driving. Sure the Martu Native Title area is a vast area, but surely the there will be some compromise made, as banning people from this area will only force people to travel in these area illegally or do what I will be doing again this year and keep south of the area, where travel is legal and there are still very remote places that still sees little or almost no traffic at all.

I know that it would be a very big ask and would never happen, but if travel through Martu areas was black banned for one season, the dollar speaks in everyone's language and there would be a very big rethink regarding issuing of permits - just my thoughts

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Follow Up By: Member Dick (Int) - Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 14:07

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Hi Stephen

I think a lot of us were shocked when we read Mick Hutton's post.

As you say there is still a lot of lovely desert south of the Martu Native Title Area and if the Martu do not get realistic about reasonable access a lot of $$$ will go elsewhere.

A black ban would be a good idea if it could be properly co-ordinated. Even if you only stopped 50% of the travel in that area it should make the Martu consider a realistic permit system.

Will be interesting to see what other posts come up on this subject. I think a lot of people don't know about it yet, and it is not yet reflected in the Trek Notes.

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Follow Up By: Mick O - Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 15:58

Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 15:58
Hi guys,

look I beg to differ and perhaps it's me whose wrong but I thought you always needed a permit to travel these roads, well in recent years at least. I've always had them. My interpretation of the thrust of Mick H's post was that you will be able to travel these roads in the future with a permit but you cannot deviate off them. Only the tracks/roads are public access. More than 50m metres off the track and you will be in breach unless you have permission to visit that specific area as an addendum to your permit.

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Follow Up By: equinox - Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 19:01

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Hi Dick,

You are correct as far as you will be adhering to the wishes of the council. They have no choice but to let you travel these roads, as it is written in the determination.

If you choose to visit for example Warri site without a permit, you will be going against the wishes of the council but may possibly still remain within the boundaries of the law. This has not been tested in court yet however it is only a matter of time. The council is counting on being believed by the majority of people.

It is not only Martu that you have to worry about but other determinations as well, as Mick stated in his thread.

Here is a map of some of the major determinations in WA, taken from the Native Title Tribunal Website:http://www.nntt.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx

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Have a read of the Native Title Act. I have done this and am quietly confident, however by no means sure that a bona fide traveller should be able to visit non-protected sites within a determination area freely.

Also of interest is the actual Martu determination found here: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/federal_ct/2002/1208.html

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Reply By: Member - TonBon (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:55

Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:55
Haig to Cocklebiddy is fine. Was there in January. Road is quite rocky and rough, averaged about 40 Kph taking it easy but 2wd all the way.
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Reply By: bennos - Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 19:07

Wednesday, Apr 21, 2010 at 19:07
thanks for all to think about, what a great source of info you all have
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