Battery overheating
Submitted: Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 20:25
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ajd
I have a 2007 Nissan Patrol with a 3 litre engine. I have an ARB dual battery tray fitted which is mounted in the space next to the air filter.
My problem is that it sits about 150mm from the turbocharger which of course gets pretty hot and has already cooked one deep cycle battery.
I have just fitted a new battery and was wondering if anybody knew of any way to protect my new $350 battery from the same fate.
Any kind of heat shield or exhaust wrap, I am open to suggestions.
Thanks in advance.
Reply By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 20:31
Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 20:31
wrap your new battery in aluminium foil....
You should have paid a lot less for your new deep cycle, then it won't hurt so much if you lose the new one as
well :P
Best, Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 20:58
Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 20:58
" wrap your new battery in aluminium foil.... "
But NOT over the top unless you cover all exposed terminals etc. with some thick electrical insulation prior to wrapping.
Yer I know Peter.... It should go without saying but sometimes people can take it as you say it .. LOL
Scrubby.
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Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:07
Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:07
G`day ajd,
There is available insulation material that consists of a sandwich of Fibre Glass about 15mm thick between two sheets of light gauge steel.
My 60 series has a panel of this underneath between the muffler and the floor, I reckon it would be easy to make a shield for the battery and maybe even direct some air flow between the shield and the battery.
Scrubby.
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Follow Up By: blue one - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:21
Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:21
Nice fish
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Reply By: Stu-e - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:42
Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 21:42
yeah you can get an exhaust wrap may have to be custom made,
check exhaust suppliers, or mining equipment suppliers as there are alot of turbo wraps fitted to underground gear and other machines where extreme heat can be a problem in surounding areas
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Reply By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 23:06
Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 23:06
Wrapping your battery in foil or arranging any other form of insulation will not keep your battery from getting hot unless there is a cooling airflow over the battery inside the insulation. Otherwise all the insulation will do is provide a very short time delay in heating your battery.
If your deep-cycle battery is AGM or Gel they do not like heat so the very best solution is to move it out of the engine bay to a cooler location.
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:02
Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:02
I've got a 4.2 diesel, and I made a thin aluminium screen around two sides of the battery separated by about 10mm, with a small computer fan pushing cool air drawn from the grille thru
the gap between the screen and the battery. A cheap thermostat switch operates the fan from about 40deg.
A lot of stuffing around installing it, tho.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 15:58
Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 15:58
Gerry, that air from the grille would be very good for the battery temperature but the volume of air pushed through the grille by the vehicle motion would far exceed the amount that the fan could produce so the fan would generally not be needed unless the vehicle spent long periods at idle.
Same applies to the engine fan. Only really needed at very low vehicle speeds or at idle.
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 18:41
Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 18:41
Alan, Spot on!
If the vehicle is stopped, and the temp is too high, then the fan cuts in and shifts a bit of cool air past the battery till the engine bay cools off. Otherwise, the fan's switched off by the thermostat. The setup without the fan would still work as the duct in front of the fan at least moves cool air to the battery.
cheers,
Gerry
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 23:52
Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 23:52
ajd,
Not sure what these people are sipping tonight..... I think the aluminium foil was a poor joke - not sure about the metal shield, but shielding a battery with anything metallic is a surefire way to create a shortcircuit, melt a battery or create a fire under the bonnet.
You can buy a proper battery thermal cover :
Link Here
But your choice of an AGM is not the best under the bonnet - they don't like the heat - If it were me, having spent the money, I'd be moving the AGM into the back. A good wet cell battery is more likely to last in a warm environment - something like a Exide extreme or Century overlander is what I've used for second batteries under the bonnet for the past 20 years.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 06:40
Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 06:40
I gotta agree with Phil here, the under bonnet temp of the 2nd battery in the 3.0GU is too high for an AGM battery IMHO. In my GU, I had my wetcell Century battery wrapped in builders insulation and while it helps, it simply slowed down the heat buildup in the battery. Even the original battery has an air circulation connection in an effort to keep it cool.
Given that you already have the new battery, you can either accept a shorten life (even with insulation) or relocate it to the cargo area - but that will also cost $$$ to do.
Cheers
Captain
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Reply By: Member - mazcan - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 14:55
Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 14:55
hi i have a 1997 mazda bravo diesel and when i had the aftermarket safari turbo fitted
it was boiling my second battery which is right near the turbo on the left side of the bravo engine and it was so hot i could'nt put my hand on it
after a rush of the proberbial to the brain
i came up with a thought of a bonnet scoop then searched the internet and found a small b/scoop it only cost $65 size 30cm L x14cm W x3.5 H and and a slot hole across front 10cm's x 1cm deep this lets enough air in
i reluctantly cut a hole in the bonnet where the scoop airflow would blow onto top section of turbo down past the turbo and take the heat down the firewall and out underneath
the hairbrain idea works that was 11 years ago and still doing its job
have never regreted cutting the hole in the bonnet and painted the scoop same as vehicle and no one has really noticed it
wouldnt know if the guy is still in business but he at the time was in belmont w.a
and came up under bonnet scoops supplies when i googled
i dont know where you live but the idea will fix your problem
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 15:48
Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 15:48
hi again
ps found the listing under fibreglass fabricators
in those days there were vehicle coming out with factory fitted turbo air scoops on the bonnet
i recall nissan terrano and i think a2.8 patrol model had one at one stage/ a prado model to name a few try the wreckers they may have one
cheers
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