Hilux suspension

Hi. I have a 2003 SR5 4WD Dual Cab Hilux with independant front suspension and am not happy with the ride. I put 4 new Lovell heavy duty shocks all round but still no better. The previous owner towed a boat and has put an extra 2 leaves in the rear springs. It crashes over bumps and is a very rough ride. For an independant front end it's not very absorbing at all. Has anyone installed a suspension kit that is Ok when the truck is empty and can cope with towing a camper trailer? Any help will be muchly appreciated.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 19:58

Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 19:58
Gday Mario,
Sounds like you need a bit more weight permanently in the back - add a water tank, long range fuel tank, 2nd spare and store the fridge in the back and it will ride better. Thats what usually happens in the long run!
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Reply By: splits - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 23:14

Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 23:14
The first thing I would do is get rid of those extra leaves and try the car in stock standard condition including stock size tyres on factory pressures before you make any decisions.

I have stock 205R16 LT tyres on mine. Factory pressures are only 25 each end when empty. Toyota lists empty as including 2 people and up to 100 kgs of luggage. Fully loaded is still 25 front and up to 34 rear depending on load. I have covered thousands of ks on all surfaces except beaches at those pressures and they work well with and without heavy loads. I have never felt the need to change anything.

The other factory size tyre is a 255 70 15. Pressures are only 28/28 and 28/34 fully loaded. They should work as well as mine do.

Those constant front pressures suggest the load on the front end does not increase as weight is added to the rear so the ride should be good with pressures that low. These cars are not designed to shake your teeth out and they don't in stock form.

If you are still not happy then it is time to start modifying but see if you can possibly try before you buy anything. It is very easy to spend a lot of money and get disappointing results as you have already found out.

If your camper trailer puts too much weight on the draw bar then that creates another problem. A progressive rate spring (custom made if necessary) may be the answer but don't be tempted to use airbags until you have read all the reports on the net about dual cabs and chassis bending. They are easy to find on Google.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 23:44

Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 23:44
even stock standard they are one stiff spring. My exes would almost throw itself off the road on minor corragations and they will lift rear wheels quicker than quicker than than the front due to the springs not having any give
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Follow Up By: splits - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:50

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:50
You must have a different model than mine. They only work on three leaves until heavy loads bring them down onto the two shorter and heavier flat ones. If you try bouncing them unloaded with the shocks disconnected, those three are as soft as can be. Even if you put one upside on the ground and jump on it, it will bend it easily.
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Reply By: get outmore - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 23:42

Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 23:42
creeeeikeys
- added extra spings?

Hiluxes already are like driving with steel blocks for springs and shockers wont help that and will give you 0 flex in the rear

you should definitly benifit with better matched rear springs for your use
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Reply By: Mario8503 - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 17:59

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 17:59
Hi Splits.
The car came with 31 x 10.5R x 15 Yokohama Geolanda AT'S. I am running 40PSI front and back as recommended by a trye dealer. Would you recommend I lower these pressures first? the dealer said the side walls needed these pressures.
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 18:13

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 18:13
I don't know where your located but where I am (in Qld) those 31 inch tyres are illegal.

When I got my Hilux, the previous owner had bigger tyres and heavy duty shocks and the ride was horrible. The missus refused to ride in it.

Put original 205/16 tyres back on and standard shocks, ran the tyres at close to recommended pressure as Splits said above and the ride is fine. Has a steel bull bar so I run a few pounds more than recommended in the front. I change the rear pressure depending on the load as per the recommendations and it's all good.

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Follow Up By: splits - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:13

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:13
Reducing the pressure will soften the ride but you may create other problems. Too little pressure will wear the outside edges while too much wears the centre. You may find to get the ride acceptable, you have to go so low the edges wear first and the walls become so flexible that on road handling is compromised.

Those tyres are not only illegal in Qld as Lex said but NSW as well. I am not sure about other states. They are two inches (50 mm) in diameter over standard size and about 12 mm wider. The width is not a problem legally but the maximum permissible increase in diameter is only 15 mm. That much oversize will make your overall gearing higher and that is the last thing you need when towing. It will also change the brake ratio resulting in an increase in stopping distance.

Right now your car has oversize tyres, vastly stiffer springs, non genuine shocks and pressures way above factory specifications. You are now way off into the unknown and only a suspension engineer could tell you exactly what that combination is doing to the car and if the front sway bar is handling weight transfer properly on corners.

The only thing to do is as I said before, return it to standard and go from there. Unless you are going to use this car as a play thing in extreme conditions, it should meet your needs in stock form. It has a towing capacity of 1800 kg and Toyota recommend in the owner's handbook a tow ball weight of 5 to 10 percent of trailer weight. Unless you have one of the heaviest campers on the road, you should have no problems with a standard car.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:27

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:27
Mario Play around with tyre pressures first, 40 gives best economy and wear but their is no way I will round 40 in my Jack. Try 35 , then 30. The bigger tyres have got nothering to do with the stiff ride, it is the pressure you are running and the extra leaves. For the record two of my mates have this model sr5 and both ride very well and they both run the 255 , which incidently ride better then the 205.
HD shocks improve handling not ride generally.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:31

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:31
"they both run the 255 , which incidently ride better then the 205"

Interesting. I think the 205/16 ride much better than the 255/15 on the SR5.

Work better in sand too.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:57

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:57
Lex that is a matter of opinion and tyre pressures, but the wider tyres sure as hell handle better. The standard HT tyres on the d4d are pathetic, and reach their handing limit at very low speeds. We run about a Doz at work, some we have fitted with a wider lower profile geolander which is much improved
My old Runner had 205s by the way
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Fatso - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 18:29

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 18:29
We picked up a new Hilux single cab a couple of months ago. We both had a headache within 20 k.
After a weekend & 400 k away I was saying to a fellow Hilux owner how the springs seemed to settle in & the ride smoothed out.
I wondered why I got the strange look.
When I got into our Prius 10 minutes later I realised.
The Hilux springs hadn't settled in & in fact hadn't changed.
I had just become accustomed to the ride.
We did about 650 k over the Anzac Weekend with ourselves & about 250 kg of camping gear & couldn't get over how smooth it felt.
It probably wasn't smooth at all by comparison to a Commodore or Falcon. Only smooth compared to when it is empty.
I reckon you will get used to it Mario.
What does Chopper say about eating concrete & toughening up.
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Reply By: Mario8503 - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 18:14

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2010 at 18:14
Hi and thanks to all who responded. I have booked the truck in to get the rear suspension back to standard and am loathed to change the tyres as they are fairly new. I am surprised they passed roadworthy as I bought the truck second hand with these tyres on it!!! I will try various tyre pressures and see what works best. When these tyres wear out I'll get 255's and go from there.
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