80 series or D4D hilux

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G'day guys
I currently have a 96 80 series diesel with gas injection (with 440000k's on the clock) and am looking at selling it and 'upgrading' to a D4D hilux dual cab (secondhand - 2005 - 08 model). I am stressing out as I love the Cruiser, have had it for about 10 years and have done everything to it for touring - BUT - would like something that tows my 16ft boat easier and is wont start giving me trouble in the next few years....... Do I look at putting a 1HD-FT engine (24 valve factory turbo Landcruiser engine (including clutch and gearbox rebuild)), or do I sell the Cruiser and spend about $35000 on a Hilux Dual Cab D4D????
Am I throwing $16000 away if I do the engine swap, or am I wasting more money on a different car for the sake of change????????????

Help!!!...
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 20:48

Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 20:48
Hi Drew,
Very much a personal decision, my personal choice was between spending about 60 grand and buying a new V8 diesel Cruiser ute or re-powering my ageing HZJ75
with a 1HD-FT. After near on 12 months of agonizing and looking I have come down in favor of a re-power (took that long to find an engine) Also recon radiator new clutch, rebuild g/box and t/case replace all hoses etc etc.
As said just my personal choice but the thought of spending all that dough for a ute that doesn't look all that different to what I already have and some misgivings regarding the common rail electronic management system tipped the scales.

Cheers
Pop
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Reply By: Secret Mens Business - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 21:43

Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 21:43
2 different vehicles. The Hilux is a great rig, I have an 06 model with a Steinbauer module and it is nice to drive. The Hilux is small in comparison in terms of interior, you swap out the back for a ute etc. I wouldn't be doing engine swaps, bleep ing money down the drain don't care what anyone says.

If you don't mind the Ute vs the Wagon thing buy the $35k Lux and move on but otherwise consider a low K 100 series..?
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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 21:56

Monday, Apr 26, 2010 at 21:56
Id go for the repower.Your 80 series is as tuff a vehicle as you can buy, the Hilux has nothing on it.The hilux is electronic everything, the D4D is reletively new and not proven(still a young engine), is a common rail injection system which needs an extremely clean supply of diesel or its gunna cost lots to repair.
The 1HD-FT is classed as one of the best diesel engines ava., ultra reliable and a proven preformer.Thats why they demand a high second hand price and engines are hard to pick up.
Im not bagging the hilux, all new vehicles are like this.If I was in the market for a new 4wd ute, I would have a hilux no questions asked but believe an 80 with 1HD-FT is the second best ultimate vehicle behind only a 105 series with 1HD-FTE.
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Follow Up By:- Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 00:09

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 00:09
1HD-FT (and the earlier 1HD-T) was the engine that made toyota drop a turbo diesel option from the initial version of the 100 series. IMHO it was only toyotas continued warranting of claims long after the warranty expired that stopped it getting the same notoriety as Nissans Di ZD30s.

Proven engine it is for current measures of engine life, it is very unlikely in the future that increasing emmisions regs (I dont agree with them) will allow the continued economic registration of vechiles beyond 10 or so years.

As long as it is a 1HD-FT that has had the big end bearings replaced and its oil pressure checked then Id go for the conversion.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:53

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:53
Nope, the 1HD-FT NEVER suffered from big end problems, only the earlier 1HD-T's, and once the original bearings were done they were good.
The 1HD-FT was dropped from the 100 series range because it couldnt live up to new emmission reg's.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 14:33

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 14:33
Hi nick.
I was only talking to a reputable diesel/4wd spanner swinger the other day and he said to replace the BEBs every 100 000 because the turbos( especially the 1HD-T) are a bit hard on the bearings, and especially if they are towing. He said it would cost me $400.00 if I supply my oil + filter.
The reason I asked him was, I was under the impression that if the bearings were replaced with a good quality set you wouldn't have to do them again. He replied, in a non turbo engine that would be the case, but the turbo floggs the BEB's a fair bit.
I'm think 400 bucks is pretty cheap against the cost of a replacement engine.


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Follow Up By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 15:23

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 15:23
As he said, the 1HD-T suffered problems but not the others.
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:20

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 07:20
Hi Drew,
Here's my two cents worth mate.
I've been asking a lot of people, a lot of questions about in the near future updating my 1HD-T 80(310000K) to maybe a 2002ish model cruiser. A vast majority of cruiser owners have told me to spend the money on a rebuild of my 1HD-T as well as gear box/transfer case rebuild & new clutch, all the running gear. A few of these guys have had 80's and now regret getting rid of them. I do a fair bit of towing, a Heavy camper, Horse float and work trailer. I've been told to spend the money on it and not to update and she'll last a long time yet to come. So I think thats the way I'm going to go.
As you said, $35000.00 against $16000.00, there is a big difference, there's a lot of interest to pay if you've got to borrow the money to update, besides it sounds like you've got your cruiser setup up the way that you want it. Dave, you'll also have to buy all your accessories over again, so it's not just the cost of your rig, it's all the bells and whistles that go's with it.
The choice is yours, As I said just my two cents worth.


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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:20

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:20
I would keep the 80 and repower, you know the truck you have / love and you may be buying someone elses probs in the lux. I have had 2 D4D luxes for work and I wouldn't own one, they just aren't built to last. Done 210,000km in the D4D's in the last 2 years and I've owned 46 cruisers and used them for commercial tour operations throughout Oz.
Give me a cruiser anyday.

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Dave
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:42

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:42
So many different opinions here I don't think Drew will be better off..! To me re-powers are a risky exercise and they always cost more than you budget without a return so if you plan on keeping the vehicle forever then fine.
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Reply By: mike39 - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 17:57

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 17:57
I have a '97 1hz trayback (same engine spec. as yours, before things were made lighter, less friction?)
I installed a low boost turbo, no extra bells or whistles and it went, still goes and compares to 1hd-t, very nicely after ~75000km (now 260000km.)
Tows our 2t. van with ease at ~16l./100km.
With an exchange recon. block, pump/injectors, a/market turbo plus fitting you could be looking at something well under $10g.
If the transmission is ok, why get concerned.
My opinion is the new Hilux just aint worth the money.
just my 2 bobs worth.
mike
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Reply By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 18:12

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 18:12
mostly depends if you are going to do the work yourself?
Id hesitate to pay someone else but when its a labour of love, theres great satisfaction to be derived also.
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Reply By: westozal - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 20:25

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 20:25
Hi,

I previously owned a nice 1996 80 series Gxl auto pet/gas wagon.
Sold it to update to a 2004 GU 3ltr wagon.

I really liked both these wagons however living with the GU and ever present worry of motor issues made me decide to sell it.

Now I own a new Isuzu Dmax dualcab which I also like and is proving reliable and economical. But I also find it the 4wd equivlent of a white good.(maybe a bit harsh but parked next to my previous locked and lifted 80 it's how I feel).

Now my point is I park next to my old 80 series everyday at work and wish wholeheartedly I had not sold it to my mate.(or to anyone)

The Dmax will never have the charizma or presence of the 80 i'm afraid.

If you love your 80 series keep it. I have spent nearly 30k and wish i hadn't.

Good luck with your choice.

Regards Alan.

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Follow Up By: westozal - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:14

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:14
Hi,

I should add that in the Isuzu's defence although it wasn't what I really wanted to drive, it does get around well (I think I would feel the same about any other vehicle as I had set my heart on the 76 wagon) but when I purchased it I made a "responsible" decsion and to not spend more money. (read my wife put her foot down).

If I had a 76 V8 diesel wagon with lockers etc parked in the garage as I really wanted then I may not feel the same as I do about the 80 at the time of writing this.

So take time to think about what you really want as you may end up like me and perhaps not totally happy.

Regards Alan.

I think i need to go rehab for old n silly 4wder's.
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Reply By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:01

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:01
I just love my 80 and I will be rebuilding the engine and fitting a turbo to my HZ-1 along with performance bearings. I can do the work myself so that will be a huge saving.

I figure it will not be worth what it will cost me in the end but what the hell I don't plan on selling it anyway and to replace it with something newer and as good would cost twice as much.

Cheers
Wayne B
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:45

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:45
Family, kids, grandkids (and if you are that way inclined - your God) is what I 'love' - never had those sorts of feelings about a great lump of metal......no matter who made the bloody thing. From my shorty 40, series 2 landy, gq and gu nissans, a range of holdens and yotas (cars)....and now to my current D40 - all have served the purpose with varying degrees of reliability and comfort.....but 'love' - com'on folks!
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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:51

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 21:51
What you have never talked to your car???
Patted it on the dash and said, " Good old girl I knew you could do it" !

Gees you must be a insensitive person.. :-)

Cheers
Wayne B
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Reply By: Drew - Karratha - Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 22:21

Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 at 22:21
Thanks guys (I think....)
Now just to confuse things I am looking at a second hand 100 series factory turbo diesel...........
Drew
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Follow Up By: SirRob - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:36

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:36
Hi Drew, I had a similar delemer 18 months ago ,but my cruiser was warn out (or so I believed), I wanted a legal 3000kg tow capacity as that is what the gvm of my trailer is so I purchased a secondhand D40 navara and although the Navara and the Hilux are quite different, I now have sold the Navara and bought a 100 series(non turbo). I'd spend the coin on the 80 or the 100 if you love the cruiser stick to it, its better off road by far..... you dont have to stop to get it out of 4L , and the cruiser (either one) will tow anyting anywhere if you have the time.etc etc...
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Reply By: trainslux - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:32

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:32
Keep the 80 series, invest in it, and enjoy it.
Just because it has higher kms, is not an issue, you know the kms, and how they were put down, and how its been cared for.
Keep it.

My next vehicle would be an 80 series non turbo, rebuild the motor, trans etc and keep it as a new car.

Trains
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