I know it is a snake but identification help please.

Submitted: Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:15
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This snake crossed my path on the Strzelecki last year, I gave way to it did a couple of U turns as I was organising the camera, pulled up and poked the camera out of the window. The snake immediately went into strike mode, I can't tell you if it struck the Troopy or not but I got a good photo of the rear view mirror. Wound the window up a bit and then took this photo.Image Could Not Be Found
I was surprised how aggressive it was, (being a Kiwi I have a pact with them things, I keep out of their way and hope they keep out of mine!)
The stripes were quite prominent and it would have been 1.5 - 2 meters long.
I have not been able to find identification on the web.
Can someone help my curiosity please.
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Reply By: Rainman WA - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:31

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:31
Looks like a Woma (python)
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:52

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:52
Yes also looks like a Woma Python.

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Follow Up By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:57

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:57
I'll go withWoma Python

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Follow Up By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:04

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:04
Thanks
After a bit of Googling that my was initial thoughts to. Then would a Python be so aggressive, the head was quite small compared with the rest of the body, the actual length is possibly exaggerated I was not going to get out with a tape to measure it anyway.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:15

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:15
The Woma python hunts small mammals and other snakes. They were released into the wild for a test in SA (Because of dwindling numbers) however nearly all the snakes were hunted and killed by King Browns.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:04

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:04
Don't pythons generally have a large head and most venomous aussie snakes have a small head (death adder excepted)?
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:13

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:13
womas and black headed pythins (same family) are diferent to the traitional carpet python with its distinctive boof head and do look a bit more like a venomous snake to the untrained
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:45

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:45
Interesting story on the release of the Womas into the wild, the result was not that good for rejuvinating numbers in this particular area.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:40

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:40
sounds like they released juvinilles, both the woma and mulga are reptile eaters which makes sense as thats the dominant lifeform out there

and it becomes survival of the biggest
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:44

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:44
I've never known a python to attack unless you repeatedly tease it.

Russnic..What time of day was it when the pic was taken, it must have been stressed as it was during the day, maybe this is why it lashed out at you. Normally nocternal.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:19

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:19
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You are right, they are very placid, I showed this one to Coster to see his reaction, the snake took no notice of him,

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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:47

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:47
Can't be totally sure but looks like a Rough Scaled Snake. See here for further info.


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Follow Up By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:11

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:11
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Checked that site out too. Looks similar but this snake was in inland desert/semi desert area. The markings look similar though.
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Reply By: get outmore - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:22

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 13:22
contrary to popular belief our snakes are not aggresive in the slightest although they will dislay defensive behavior the same as a blue tongue will open its mouth at you if you invade its space



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Follow Up By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:05

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:05
Now that is what I thought.
This snake took no notice of the vehicle as it was slowly making it's way across the road, as I drove around it my thoughts were, it was probably lucky it was me and not an Moonba vehicle. When I pulled up to get a photo it was almost out of the water table and into the vegetation, that is why I was surprised when it turned so quickly and displayed an aggressive stance, they can move quite quick.
The photo was taken on the 18th Oct around midday and was quite hot at the time, temp was getting up to the 40s.
Perhaps it was a Wooma, best answers the description and a bit upset being caught out in the middle of the day.
Got a photo or two of blue tongue lizards, unfortunately they had closed their mouths at the same time I pushed the button.
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Follow Up By: stumbly1 - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:41

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:41
Mate, they are fantastic photo's, especially like the top one.
Now tell the truth.....zoom lens or are you just a fair bit braver than myself?

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Follow Up By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 15:20

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 15:20
Believe me when it comes to snakes I am far from brave.
I was sitting in the Troopy looking out the window, when it turned and went all aggressive I jumped and ended up taking a photo of the rear view mirror instead of the snake, the photo is after I got my composure back a bit.
I was parked on the side of the road and the snake at that stage was in the water table, on checking the camera settings it was in portrait mode with a focal length of 55mm.
Easy to be brave sitting in a vehicle with the window half wound up.
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Follow Up By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 15:31

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 15:31
Sorry there.
I guess you were referring to "get outmore" s photos. Brilliant aren't they.
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Follow Up By: OffRoadSubarus - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:21

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 16:21
Inland taipan by the looks of it.

Heres one

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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 19:49

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 19:49
where did you get the changing faces of my mother in law?
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 22:42

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 22:42
Oh ahh wish I didnt open this thread. Those close ups were not good for my ticker.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 16:50

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 16:50
you can get petty close to some if you dont threaten them. They start to telegraph when they think your close enough.

the top guy you can see is starting to flatten out and the death adder has retracted itself into an S ready for action

the carpet didnt care less.

likeI said there not aggressive and the hardest part is usually getting a pic before their scared off.

cold snakes re often the most aggresive because they dont have the energy to run (slither)
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 16:52

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 16:52
should say juvinilles also are very flighty and will just strike out at you blindly repeatedly

- maximum defense comes with being bottom of the food chain
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Reply By: Rockape - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 17:41

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 17:41
I think snakes are like people, some want to snap your head off and others couldn't care what you do.

Was at work having a cool drink and a chat with a mate the other day, when he said I think you better step back, seeing a 4 foot brown idleing past, I did so post haste as I only had the stepping out thongs on. Called to old mate down the bar to move back as there was a brown headed his way.

That snake couldn't give a dam about all the people, he just wanted to get in behind the bar and look for a likely meal or warm spot, that or he had an alcohol
problem.

Couple of days before that another mate was walking to work, when he came across a similar sized brown, this snake decided he was the enemy and proceeded to have a couple of goes at him for no reason at all.

Maybe one was a male and the other a female, time of the month does strange things.

Have a good one.
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Reply By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 17:49

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 17:49
Thanks to all.
My initial research suggested a Woma Python, perhaps I caught it out on a bad day, for a nocturnal animal snaking across that road in higher than usual spring temperatures would stress/put any one in a bad mood.
Snakes I have previously encountered over there have carried on doing their business and I have been quite happy to step back and let them carry on with that.
Colouring pattern, tail ,head, location, all adds up to a Woma Python, a nocturnal animal caught out in the heat of the day made be wonder.
That is what draws me back, never know what one might encounter next.
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 21:54

Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 21:54
Well I might be going out on a limb here but I don't think it was a Woma.

My initial thought was a Brown Snake. I have seen them in that part of the world before so that would not suprise me.

I ahve done a bit of a search and while I would not get into an argument over it I would be treating it as a Brown Snake. The colour and banding are consistent with the brown and the longish pointy tail fits too. It also might explain the aggresive nature of the thing.

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Follow Up By: Redback - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 08:20

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 08:20
I was thinking the same thing, either that or a Tiger snake.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 16:58

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 16:58
Ya wont find a tiger in the desert,

and the only browns youll find there are Gwarders and it certainly isnt one of them

unquestionably a Woma

defensive behavior can be seen in all snakes and varies enormously in even snakes of the same species
he definitly caught that guy in the wrong frame of mind
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Reply By: dola dave - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 08:46

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 08:46
I think it could be a Western Brown, they come in all sorts of colours.
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Reply By: bracken32 - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 20:37

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 20:37
Looks like a tiger to me and they are aggressive
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Reply By: bks - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 21:44

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 21:44
Desert or no desert that's a tiger snake. Has to be too be that aggressive
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 22:03

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 22:03
B.S

certainly no tiger
and as for aggresion ive come accross a few and found them no more or less aggresive than any other snake

- bit of a story for you

years ago I did work experience at crystal brook reptile park with ted mertins

of all the snakes he had (including tigers) there was 2 which couldnt be handled without tools

one was a taipan and the other.............................. was a carpet snake

tiger snakes have been rosponsible for ...................... 1 death in wa in at least the last 20 years. hardly aggresive stuff

and it bit because it was being caught by a kid
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Reply By: get outmore - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 22:23

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 22:23
Just to finish it off

heres a lizard


hers alizard showing more aggresion than a tiger snake

mad lizard

one on the left is a woma



a tiger snake



most reptiles show displeasure whn they think their being threatened


threat displays arnt confined to reptiles

heres a "harmless" huntsman


fiery juvinille ringed brown snake


tiger snake 3 some

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Reply By: get outmore - Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 22:27

Friday, Apr 30, 2010 at 22:27
sory the one oth the right is the woma the one on the left is a black headed pyhton
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