Is there a need for a second fuel filter?

Submitted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 18:56
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Heading off for 3 months up to the Cape in July. Driving an 09 Troopie 4.5L 70 series. Need advice from the experienced.
Would there be potential problems in the quality of the diesel?
Bit concerned that if I fill with dirty fuel either watered or sludged the motor won't be happy.
Would a second filter in line help?
Where is the best place to locate it?
Would there still be sufficient pressure from the fuel pump?
Any other problems I'm likely to encounter?
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Reply By: Fatso - Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 19:16

Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 19:16
Is there a need for a second fuel filter?
I would think not.
Would there be potential problems in the quality of the diesel?
I would think not any more than anywhere else on the NQ coast.
Any other problems I'm likely to encounter?
I would think no more than you would expect any where else.
Where is the best place to locate it?
Probably Cooktown, Coen, Weipa, Bamaga if you need one.
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Follow Up By: Member - Leigh (Vic) - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 11:34

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 11:34
I thought you may already have two fuel filters as standard kit in the Troopy??
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Reply By: Member - Dalb (SA) - Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 20:55

Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 20:55
Hi Marilyn

For what its worth, I had concerns like yours and asked my very experienced mechanic about fitting a second filter to my Landcruiser TD 100 series.
I was advised not to do it as the extra load could cause problems with the fuel pump etc.
I changed my Toyota fuel filter for one with a bowl where you could see any water or other matter. This meant I lost the standard Toyota water alarm.
Ideally I would like a fuel filter with a bowl AND a water alarm fitted, but I dont believe there is one available.

Enjoy the Cape.....

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Follow Up By: kwk56pt - Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 22:11

Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 22:11
Responsive engineering sell a water trap with alarm , not cheap though
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Reply By: CJ - Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 20:56

Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 20:56
Good fuel sold up there

reputable dealers - BP, Shell

healthy turnover of fuel

The fuel sttions mentioned above are well spread out and within range of a normal tank, so there is no need to rely on stations or other dodgy sources

CJ
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 21:01

Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 21:01
Reputable dealers or not CJ I picked up >100ltrs of crappy diesel at the Shell place just to the north of Taree....cost me a full flush of the fuel system and 4 days delay.
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Follow Up By: BuggerBoggedAgain - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 21:42

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 21:42
Since I live in Taree I was wondering who u were talking about.

Theres a Shell in Taree on old Pacific Hwy just B4 ToyotaRama opposite Bridgestone Tyres. Thats in town.

Coopernook closed down since by-pass opened. Wasn't a Shell anyway.

Moorland, Caltex Johns River pumps there but no sales, Kew BP on cnr,Caltex on other

Where?
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Thursday, May 06, 2010 at 20:02

Thursday, May 06, 2010 at 20:02
Yep thanks for pointing that out mate...just consulted my fuel book in the truck and it was Kempsey - just on the left as coming into town. I made it as far a Bulladellah before the dash light up - bled the fuel filter several times but couldn't clear the gunk and ended up on the back of a tow truck.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Thursday, May 06, 2010 at 20:04

Thursday, May 06, 2010 at 20:04
....and to continue with my run of bad luck I pick up more dirty fuel at a Caltex outlet in Nowra about 3 months later.....been good ever since and I've neved got bad fuel in the outback (ie in places like Punmu, Kunawitji (sp??), Mt Dare etc etc).
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 22:20

Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 22:20
Don't worry about fitting a 2nd filter inline, just carry a spare original filter in the back.
Cheers Craig...............
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Reply By: Member - Josh (TAS) - Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 22:38

Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 22:38
You could get a funnel/filter from Mr Funnelhttp://www.mrfunnel.com.au/ orhttp://www.mrfunnel.com/Mr._Funnel/Home.html
Test the fuel before filling up. We used one on our trip. We would fill up the jerry cans and allow to settle over night then fill next morning through the fiunnel. They are slow to filter but better than getting a gut full of dirty fuel. I think the fuel up there is no more dirty than any servo anywhere else. I know people who got dirty fuel in Melbourne but noone worries about filling up in the city. Just another option!!!!!!!!!!!!

Josh



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Follow Up By: age - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 14:07

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 14:07
Hi Josh

Although these seem a bit gimmicky etc, they are actually being taken up hugely in the boating industry in Australia. With new finnicky fuel injected 4 stroke motors and ethanol based (water absorbing) fuels not good for boat tanks, lines and motors apparently these devices are pretty good at filtering. One of the fishing magazines were giving them away with a subscription and think they retail for around only $30


Cheers

A
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 23:10

Tuesday, May 04, 2010 at 23:10
On my Chev 6.5 V8 I have tried to cover most possibilities as regards bad diesel. From the tank, my fuel goes through a Facet 3-5psi pump, to a Morison Debug, to a CAV filter (all located at the back of the vehicle adjacent to the tanks). From there the diesel travels to the engine bay to a 2nd CAV filter and a 2nd electric lift pump, and finally into the Stanadyne IP. By the time it gets there it is clean enough to drink.

I do (personally) believe there is no downside to adding at least one electric lift pump near the tank to save the IP the added drama of lifting the fuel from the tank. I'm not 100% sure it's necessary, but Brunswick Diesel do fit one when they do their conversions. The 2nd electric pump is probably overkill, but what the hell....if one of these leccy pumps packs it in, I still have the 2nd one to rely on.

Roachie
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Reply By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 10:17

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 10:17
I had a Water Sedimenter fitted to 2007 Prado D4D by Gold Coast Diesel and it has an alarm fitted.
The Unit looks like this


And the alarm which ignites and sounds looks like this


Check out more about the Water Sedimenter from Gold Coast Diesel here

You will note there is a DIY kit or it can be fitted at the Gold Coast.

Thankfully the alarm has never gone off but gives me the peace of mind when I refuel.

Alan at Gold Coast Diesel runs an excellent workshop and looks after his customers.
Am a happy customer and pleased to recommend him.

Pedro

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Follow Up By: Fatso - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 11:29

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 11:29
What did that set you back Pedro?
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 13:06

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 13:06
Price is on the website.
I got mine just under 3 years ago , and price was about the same.

Pedro
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Follow Up By: CJ - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 16:08

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 16:08
Pedro

Does this catch and warn about water only or is it also a filter to catch dirty fuel?

CJ
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 16:25

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 16:25
Spoke to Alan and he said it will trap the larger particles of dirty fuel only , before it gets to main fuel filter.

No warning buzzer for dirty fuel but , regular inspections will show the particles in bottom of glass bowl.

The unit is mainly for trapping water before it gets to main filter, and the alarm will provide immediate warning there is water in diesel.

It is worth watching the video on unit operating, which can be accessed on above webpage.

Pedro
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 11:15

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 11:15
My only comment here would be that if you do get something through to your common rail injectors they will be stuffed and need replacing and you can only hope it happens inside of warranty and Toyota cover you.? Damage to Common Rail Injectors (No Serviceable yet and expensive to replace) is I presume why you are asking this very question. I too would like to know if I can fit something better than OEM for my Hilux already had to replace 4 injectors don't want to do it again..!
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Reply By: Graham & Ann - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 16:55

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 16:55
We were up there last winter, didn't hear of or see anyone with dirty fuel problems. We didn't fuel up in any out of the way remote communities etc. but stuck to the main towns/roadhouses for fuel. Enjoy the trip and be prepared for busy roads.
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Reply By: Member - Trouper (NSW) - Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 17:31

Wednesday, May 05, 2010 at 17:31
My 2000 model Troopy came fitted with an OEM dual filter system.. Speak to Toyota about it. There is probably one available for your model.

Regards ...........Jeff
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Reply By: Member - Marilyn P (NSW) - Thursday, May 06, 2010 at 19:23

Thursday, May 06, 2010 at 19:23
Thanks everyone for responses to Thread 78225. Ask a questions & the responses come in. Certainly appreciate all your answers - now the homework begins.
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