Diesel vs Petrol
Submitted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 at 12:11
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CruisinDub
Hi all,
Have my heart set on a landcruiser troop carrier, preferably a later model, for when I head back
home with the wife and begin our tour of Aust.
Always thought of a diesel, for simplicity, but some threads comment that the servicing costs are more for a diesel and more expensive to buy.
We don't think we will be doing any extreme 4wding, rather just some good touring of Australia for about a year or more. (been overseas for past 14 years)
This will be our first 4wd and apart from touring all the side roads and camping, some beaches, a bit of bush tracking, we are not experienced or planning an expedition trek, rather travelling Aust seeing what we can. I see from the
forum pics, many members do not have the big 4wds (L/cruis/Hilux/Patrol).
My parents have recently bought a Mazda dual cab and are touring with this and the caravan, this from having a Patrol touring vehicle a few years back.
They highly rate the Mazda with lpg conversion.
As much as I love the troopy, beginning to think we maybe don't need to go that extreme.
So, two fold question,
Petrol (with possibly lpg conversion) or diesel for a troopy?
Or keep dreaming of a troopy, but actually get a smaller vehicle? (pathfinder/jackeroo/Pajero etc)
Any advice?
Thanks all in advance.
Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Saturday, May 08, 2010 at 18:23
Saturday, May 08, 2010 at 18:23
CruisinDub
Just as others have said, get a diesel, for all the same reasons too
My old Toyota hasn't seen the inside of a mechanics
shop, with the exception of injector and pump adjustments, since it run out of warranty about 6OO,OOO K's ago, do everything else yourself, including belts, get to know what it is that makes them run forever and save a heap of money to boot, then maybe just because it's a Toyota it's still running :-)
My next vehicle will also be diesel powered
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: CruisinDub - Saturday, May 08, 2010 at 20:41
Saturday, May 08, 2010 at 20:41
600k !!!
Guess they dont make them like that anymore. ?
Plan on doing the basic servicing myself, belts, I guess you dont mean 'timing belts' also?
Thanks in advance.
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Saturday, May 08, 2010 at 21:00
Saturday, May 08, 2010 at 21:00
Yes, done the belts twice now, last one *snapped* when I was idling at a red light here in town, two guys pushed me off the road and I got it towed
home, ordered a new belt, checked the valves and fitted the belt, set up the alignment marks, changed the 2 fan belts at same time.
Belt was about $80 from memory and had to be readjusted at 1,000 km, better do that soon and adjust the tappets too
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, May 10, 2010 at 09:40
Monday, May 10, 2010 at 09:40
timing belts arnt hard to do
BUT there not hard to stuff up either which instantly does about 3k of damage to valvesd and head
Guy i work with did his own and unknowingly roatated the camshaft while doing it resulting in a new head
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy - Sunday, May 09, 2010 at 08:19
Sunday, May 09, 2010 at 08:19
Being the devils advocate...
you don't need to buy a Troopy to get a good, capable 4wd. Any standard cruiser or 4.2 diesel patrol will do the job. Some of the new dual cabs or, as you mention, pajero, jackeroo etc will be perfectly fine if a heavy duty vehicle is not required.
These vehicles have the advantage of having 4 doors, and being more comfortable to drive. These 4 cylinders turbo diesels should take you to all of the
places you want to go and use very little fuel.
I would recommend a diesel regardless of which vehicle you get. There is a reason why even many newer passenger cars are running turbo diesels now.
If you decided on a troopy, yes you could sell it after your year long trip, or if you wanted to do more trips then keep it but then you are stuck with this big, thumping impractical vehicle as a daily driver. The smaller vehicles should do everything your want and still be useful after your trip.
Just a few thoughts. Most important though is that you enjoy the trip, regardless of which vehicle you own.
Barnesy
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Follow Up By: CruisinDub - Monday, May 10, 2010 at 02:49
Monday, May 10, 2010 at 02:49
Hi Barnesy
Thanks for your reply.
The first to elaborate more on a smaller vehicle.
As far as I am aware, there is no smaller version of a troopy style. We thought that it may have to be an option to sleep inside the vehicle at some stage,(though probably never will) and thought the troopy for its open interior volume. (we will probably pack way too much gear we wont ever need)
We also thought that we could lock the rear with a cage type panel behindhe front seats and have all our gear secure.(the windows on the troopy are a concern)
We are complete newbies, so we are not sure of our 'particular' requirements, and might be way off the mark.
We had not thought about the 'after' period, though no doubt kids would be high on the agenda of thoughts in relation to a vehicle though.
What do you refer to as a 'standard cruiser' ?
Thanks
Regards Paul
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Monday, May 10, 2010 at 10:00
Monday, May 10, 2010 at 10:00
I've road/bush tested both the VW Tiguan and Hyundai ix35, both in turbo diesel 6 speed auto AWD format in the last week.
I can also make a direct comparison to a Troopy diesel (manual) as I've driven one for a few years, I would take a very close look at the Hyundai ix35 as it impressed me in sand and on the black top too.
Sure it's not a big thumping Troopy, but drive a Troopy around town, see if you could really live in that world anyway, plus the Hyundai gets 8 lt per 100 Km even when giving it a bit of a hiding, using half the fuel of the Troopy and is comfortable to boot.
For me it’s a no brainer unless you can use the Troopy only at weekends.
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Monday, May 10, 2010 at 23:24
Monday, May 10, 2010 at 23:24
Cruisindub,
by 'standard' cruiser I mean the 4 door landcruiser, not ute or troopy. Even these are big vehicles and not practical if being used as a daily driver through cities in between trips. Think about these things.
Mainly the people who own troopies are those who love long distance, remote area travel. They either have a different car as their daily driver, are willing to sacrifice practicality in their daily driver so they can go on that once a year trip, or they live in a country town. How would you take kids in a 2 door troopy with 8 bench seats?
With a 4 door vehicle you could remove the rear seats and give you lots of space, accessible because of the rear doors, and put the seats back in after the trip.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, May 10, 2010 at 12:01
Monday, May 10, 2010 at 12:01
Hi Cruisin
I wouldn't be considering a later model troppy for simplicity !
They have changed a lot since my 1964 International Harvester tractor was built.
They are much more complex than my petrol 2002 Nissan Patrol , and
as a general rule are less reliable since they went electronic fuel
metering and added turbo chargers etc.
Have you seen Rockapes recent replies about complexity and issues
with just removing the starter motor and multiple failures ?
Often these posts about fuel types come up and I have tended to argue
the petrol side for many reasons, by and large the costs are the same
its just that with the petrol you pay a 1/3rd more each time you fill up
where the extra diesel costs come in particulate based health issues
extra sevicing costs, extra outlay up front, extra cabin noise - and
heaven forbid if you need an injector with many now costing $1000 or more, or you happen to drown it.
There are the odd extreme requirements, and minor pluses and minuses
but I believe the only real reason for getting a diesel is because it has about a 1/3rd extra range.
My petrol guzzler can do 1000km on a tank and there are not many
places
left where you more than this and for those occasions you do need jerries
so think it thru carefully.
If you have read many of this sites posts you probably know that troppies
have a shocking roll over angle and are over represented with accidents
both in number and severity as they often lack basic occupant protection
measures.
Think it over carefully !
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Monday, May 10, 2010 at 23:51
Monday, May 10, 2010 at 23:51
Robin,
I know you love your petrol but...
being the devils advocate....
I fitted a bypass oil filter in my diesel, allowing up to 20 000km between complete oil changes. Very cheap.
Interior noise levels is same as my brother's petrol GQ.
Happen to drown it? You can drive through deeper water in a diesel than a petrol.
In 100 000km I've driven in my diesel GQ I had a major service including injectors when I bought it costing $1100 and that's it. 6 oil changes only.
Low range 4wding in my diesel is far better than the petrol GQ, the petrol needs to keep revs over about 2000 rpm during low range ascents! I can sit at a very controllable 800 rpm.
Another benefit of diesel is that they allow more time to enjoy the scenery because they are slower!
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 at 07:52
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 at 07:52
But Barnesy your diesel is a big step in the direction of my tractor compared to the new ones with V8 twin turbo's and those horrendous costs , so I accept some of your points - the thing about the Patrol petrol is that you can buy this relatively simple engine brand new today - whereas todays diesel is so complex and and has so many sensors that its great when it all goes , and not so great when it goes wrong.
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