CT Axle Over or Under ??
Submitted: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 14:53
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Shawsie
Currently my CT
water tank is lower than the CT axle and as I'm headed to
Cape York in 4 weeks time I would like your opinions on whether I should re-locate
the springs over the axle - giving me approx 80mm of extra clearance. The tank currently sits at 200mm from the ground and the axle at 250mm.
Are the tracks such that I will be driving in deep ruts? if so, then I think re-locating
the springs on top of the axle would be a good idea.
your thought would be most apprecieated :)
Reply By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 15:43
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 15:43
hi Shawsie,
before you start increasing your ground clearance you may need to consider if your canvas on your CT can stand the extra 80mm height increase.
When I changed my wheel and tyre s from 15"rims running 31" tyres to 16 " running 33' tyres the extra 50mm put the canvas at its limits as far as wall sides were concerned.
what
suspension are you running?
My 65 litre
water tank sits directly over my axle which is overslung on springs and there is still 3-4 inches clearance between them
I would think you will be dragging your
water tank at 200mm clearance especially if it is at the rear of your CT.
cheers
Howard
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Follow Up By: Shawsie - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 16:11
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 16:11
Hi Howard,
I will definitely be over the limit on the canvas, but I figure I could put up with that rather than smash my tank on a
rock or something.
I have 7-leaf springs, 15" wheels and the tank sits just behind the axle, but sits lower by a couple of inches.
I also thought about using longer shackles as a compromise - this might be a better solution and much less work for me - I don't know!
Thanks for you thoughts.
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Reply By: Voxson - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 16:14
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 16:14
If you are going to drag it through the OTL then you will experience ruts and rocks....
If you are going on all the main dirt roads then you will have decent roads with some washouts to be careful of....
I had 4cars with me in 2008 which did
Frenchmans Track and OTL with camper trailers and all had their crunches and grinds...
Campers were a limiting factor to some
places we went to up there...
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Reply By: Member - mazcan - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 16:55
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 16:55
hi shawsie
you didnt say if your tank is poly or metal but for my poly tank
i made a metal bash plate to encase it but the ends are still open but extend out enough for protect the ends
it can now skid over obstacles if need be
thought this maybe of assistance
cheers
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 18:36
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 18:36
While you may find that the canvas will be at a stretch on flat ground, it may be easier when at most campsites there is a slope you can then put the canvas uphill.
The ease of doing a spring over on the axle will depend on whether the trailer has brakes.
If it does then you will have to either get the spring locating plates on the axle cut off the bottom and rewelded on the top or if the brake mountings are say 4 bolts you may be able to unbolt and turn them over as
well.
If no brakes it is much easier as you can just turn the axle over so the spring locating plates are on the top.
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Follow Up By: Shawsie - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 07:39
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 07:39
humvee, I do have electric brakes which are attached by 4 bolts. I have thought about unbolting the brakes, rotating the axle which willl also re-locate the spring locating plate and spigot, then bolt the brakes back on on the same orientation.
I reckon this would be the best way to do it in this scenario - just more work me (Urk!)
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Reply By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 20:55
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 20:55
i went from 15s to16s on
mine and had the tent too high scenario. but the clearance improved so doing someting like that may be enough
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Reply By: greybeard - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 21:06
Tuesday, May 18, 2010 at 21:06
compare the clearance of the camper to the towing vehicle.
if the vehicle is lower then i can't see a problem. i'd be more worried about the potential issue of the canvas not reaching the ground due to the increase in height.
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Follow Up By: Shawsie - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 08:00
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 08:00
Hi Greybeard,
The CT axle is higher than the vehicle's rear axle & diff, but as the tank on the CT is a couple of inches lower, it becomes the lowest point and will be prone to breaking/puncturing etc... my idea is to at least try and get the same clearance, but I realise that the canvas will be a compromise.
If
Cape York is likely to be the most extreme, then I'll put it back to it's original position on my return - if all goes
well (Ahem!).
Cheers, Andrew
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Reply By: Shawsie - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 07:45
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 07:45
hey guys, many thanks for your thoughts and experience, it's invaluable to me. I'll take another look this weekend and do some tinkering and also see if I can easily get some longer shackles as a starting point.
Cheers, Andrew
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 08:13
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 08:13
Andrew
Give the longer shackles a miss as they flog the shackle bushes out prematurely.
also increases leverage on mounting points and can also fatigue the leaf springs. They are illegal on road going vehicles for a reason. Not sure about trailers. Probably the same.
Just do the SOA as once it is done then no more problems.
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Follow Up By: Shawsie - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 08:17
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 08:17
Thanks for that :)
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Reply By: brushmarx - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 08:52
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 08:52
Have you given any thought of a new
water tank that has a lower profile?
You may need to sacrifice some storage volume or install a wider tank.
May be a faster and possibly cheaper option.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Rodney B- Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 12:07
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 12:07
Had the same problem on our Cape trip and I reversed the axle. Canvas was a bit short but you can use terrain, scoop out a bit of dirt under the wheels, even deflate your tyres in necessary. Did all the tracks up the Cape including
Cape Melville, OT Lines,
Frenchmans track etc and never had a problem. Was going to change it back when we got
home but it made the trailer so easy to take everywhere that I have left it.
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Follow Up By: Shawsie - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 13:35
Wednesday, May 19, 2010 at 13:35
Thanks Rod, thats just what i was looking for :)
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Reply By: Injected - Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 09:46
Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 09:46
Shawsie
Some poly tanks ( Camel Group ) are designed to take a fair hammering from stones, dirt mounts, rocks etc. Camel have a photo where a 4X4 is parked on top of a 65ltr tank. Took my trailer up to the cape last year, and my tank sits lower than the
suspension as i have independent
suspension and had no dramas, a few minor gouges though.
Check to see what brand of tank, if a Camel tank, their name is on it, moulded in.
As usual no ties or affiliation with Camel.
Cheers.
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Reply By: Shawsie - Monday, May 24, 2010 at 08:26
Monday, May 24, 2010 at 08:26
Thanks for all your comments and suggestions. I bit the bullet and put
the springs over the axle. It was a straight forward job and now I have
well over 300mm clearance on the tank so the axle is the lowest part by far. I'll be checking my canvas this weekend, but I knew that would be a compromise. We'll see how it go's.
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