Tow vehicle dilemma

Submitted: Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 21:20
ThreadID: 79283 Views:2759 Replies:9 FollowUps:7
This Thread has been Archived
I have just purchased a 27foot van with a total weight of 2750kg. I would love to get some opinions on a tow vehicle. I will obviously need one with a 3 tonne capacity. Cruisers are so dear, nissans don't do it for me, the new triton has potential, but does it have the power? I would like to stick under the $40000 mark. If only I could hitch the van for the test drive! Opinions appreciated.
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 21:28

Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 21:28
Hi. 2750 kg seems light for a 27ft van. Do you mean overall length with the drawbar or the body length. If the latter it should be way above that weight and I would get it weighed over a weighbridge before making any tow vehicle decisions. Regards,Bob.

AnswerID: 420572

Follow Up By: AntandNat - Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 21:34

Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 21:34
Hi Bob, 27feet is total length including the back bar and drawbar. the tow ball weight is a mere 150kg due to design of the van.
0
FollowupID: 690760

Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 21:39

Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 21:39
In that case a good second hand Landcruiser should do the job for you. Diesel may be a bit dearer than the $40000 but a later V8 petrol with LPG may be what you need. LPG may not be available in remote areas would be the only drawback. Bob.

0
FollowupID: 690762

Follow Up By: Brunohamilton - Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 22:16

Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 22:16
I can't imagine something that long could get far off the sealed roads. So fuel type should not be an issue.

Although I have a preference for diesel.
0
FollowupID: 690765

Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:11

Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:11
Would think that a 150kg ball weight on a van of that weight and size would be very unusual. It also may lead to instability at speed.

What is the ATM on the Compliance plate as that is the only real weight to give an intelligent answer.

That is the maximum LEGAL weight that the van is allowed to be.

Perhaps a make and model will also help.

Lengths and weights that are "maybe's" do not lead to helpfull answers.


0
FollowupID: 690781

Reply By: Isuzumu - Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 21:38

Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 21:38
I believe that none of the new 4X4 utes are suited to towing their rated tow capacity. Three tonne needs at least 160KWs and 500NMs to be comfortable, so what's out there under $40k no utes unless you buy one of Bruce Garlands Dakar D-Max's hahahahaha. I would probably have a look at a Jeep Grand Cherokee 3 Lt CRD 165 Kw and 510 NM second hand $35k upwards or a Mack prime mover lol
Cheers Bruce
D.Max and Jayco Outback

Member
My Profile  My Blog  My Position  Send Message

AnswerID: 420573

Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 22:33

Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 22:33
Hi Ant and Nat

You'll need more than 3 tonne towing capacity by the time you fill the water tanks, gas bottles, and put a few provisions in the caravan. Also check what the total capacity is for any vehicle you consider and what total weight will be (ie caravan fully laden, plus loaded vehicle including yourselves).

What size is the caravan itself? They are usually quoted on the length of the cabin.

Mh
Motherhen

Red desert dreaming

Lifetime Member
My Profile  My Blog  Send Message

AnswerID: 420578

Reply By: Best Off Road - Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 22:56

Saturday, Jun 12, 2010 at 22:56
Take your blinkers off.

The Patrol 4.8 on LPG is your only option under 40 grand.

Jim.

AnswerID: 420582

Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 17:42

Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 17:42
JIm, I agree, its the obvious choice!! Michael
Patrol 4.2TDi 2003

Retired 2016 and now Out and About!

There's time to rest when you're dead,
Get out and do something instead!

Member
My Profile  My Blog  My Position  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 690818

Reply By: Craigjackaroo - Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 05:13

Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 05:13
I drive an ML Triton and think that the 3tonne on the new MN might be pushing the stability side of things a little. The new MN retains the same chassis as the ML but the overhang at the rear has been significantly increased - if you are looking at the dual cab. I would also recommend something with a bit more mass up the front for when push comes to shove.
AnswerID: 420590

Reply By: Davo_60 - Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:46

Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:46
100 series factory T/D all the way. They are expensive for a reason, but you should get one in the 40's. You will get good resale on it also.
AnswerID: 420622

Reply By: Cruiser 2091 - Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 13:30

Sunday, Jun 13, 2010 at 13:30
There was a time in NSW when the loaded weight of a caravan was not allowed to exceed the unloaded weight of the towing vehicle.

I believe this is still a very good rule if you want to be safe.

Manufacturers nowdays can simply write any max towing weight they like on their specifications.

On that basis if your vans total laden weight is 2750kg then you need a vehicle weighing 2750kg.

If everybody though stuck to this rule many car / van combinations would be off the road. Many combinations are dangerous if an emergency should arise but on the other hand lots of folk are lucky and get away with it.

It comes down to, do you want to trust in luck or do you want to minimse the risk.

Best regards.

AnswerID: 420634

Reply By: AntandNat - Monday, Jun 14, 2010 at 09:25

Monday, Jun 14, 2010 at 09:25
Thanks for the feedback. The van has an atm 2750, gtm 2690 and a tare 2350. It seems Patrol vs Landcruiser is the case.
AnswerID: 420730

Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Jun 14, 2010 at 09:33

Monday, Jun 14, 2010 at 09:33
If your figures are correct you have a ball weight of 60kg.

It is normal to subtract the GTM from the ATM to get ball weight.

I would suggest this van would be seriously unstable unless loaded extremely carefully and even then I wouldnt want to take it too far.

Even going up a hill would alter the centre of gravity fore and aft enough to have it loaded "OFF" which is not the way to be

My van which has an ATM of 2853 has a ballweight of nearly 300kg and is very stable at that I would be very reluctant to lighten it too far.

Perhaps the make of the van would help A 3.0 Patrol auto wont pull it legally either.

Is there a reason why you wont publish the make.
0
FollowupID: 690917

Follow Up By: AntandNat - Monday, Jun 14, 2010 at 22:43

Monday, Jun 14, 2010 at 22:43
Hi Graham,

I forgot to add the make. It is a 2002 Regal (custom build). The configuration is two single beds north/south up front, middle kitchen/dining/ensuite, rear queen bed. I have taken the weights off the plate, so can only say I figure most of the weight is balanced on the dual axles. Perkaps the design allows for considerable loading toward the front of the van. Once I get it home, I will put it on a bridge to clarify things. In the meantime, I need to purachase a vehicle I know will handle the load with ease. It appears the 3 tonne dual cabs won't cut it. A diesel patrol is looking a possibility. Do you have a 100 series?

A
0
FollowupID: 691038

Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 08:47

Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 08:47
Yes I do as per the pic in my sig.

I would take the thing to a weighbridge because it doesnt sound correct.

60kg is Farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr too light for a ball weight and the only way to find what it actually is, is by weighing it when its loaded up as if you were leaving on a trip.

Just pull it on far enough the drop the jockey wheel on the bridge and that will give you a definite weight.

Put all of it on the bridge disconnected from the car, jockey wheel as well Then pull it forward till the jockey is off the bridge
Deduct the second weight from the first and that should confirm the ball weight.

The accepted ball weight on most vans is 10%-15% of ATM
Mine is around the 300kg mark which rules out all the utes and some Patrols.

You could do it empty but the ball weight will change with loadings.

The 100ser TD can legally tow 3500kg and have a GCVM of 6680kg.

You should be able to buy a V8 petrol for your budget price.

Last year a friend got offered $28,000 for his low k 2006 as a trade in.

My 2005 TD is probably outside your range but a look on Carpoint may help.

One of these would be far better to travel in with a family than a crewcab.

More room rides better, able to go offroad without the van ETC.







AnswerID: 420860

Sponsored Links

Popular Products (14)