Rip off gas prices

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Hi all,

I see there has been a few posts on the cost of bottled gas, I shall relate my recent experience. Exchanged my 9kgs bottle at a caltex servo 37.50, previously 34.50. damn I thought this stuff is getting expensive. Later in the day went to Rays Outdoor to look at some fold up chairs, they had a sign up saying 9kg gas bottles refilled for 24.50, I called over an assistant to ascertain this was correct, he said it was certainly so and added they give you a card and every 5th bottle free. I told him what I had payed that morning and he said did I also realize I was only getting 8.5 kilos from the caltex, what a rip off!!

Now I do not mind paying what ever the going price is but if one place can sell the stuff for nearly half the price of the other something stinks and its not the gas. I am based in Adelaide at the moment.

What are peoples feelings on this?

Cheers Warren
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Reply By: Member - Brian R (WA) - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:00

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:00
Hi warren
I have heard that the exchange bottles can be light on. I prefer to get my bottle filled up at the local BCF, and their price is quite competative.
I think all you can do is to shop around, maybe just make a couple of phone calls.
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Follow Up By: Member - warren h (SA) - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:08

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:08
Hi Brian,

I agree with your reply and in a city you have that luxury, but when you are travelling this is not always possible. I just hate being ripped off.

Cheers Warren.
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:27

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:27
hi guys
supercheap/bfc
now owns ray's camping stores
cheers
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 00:35

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 00:35
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Reply By: Member - mazcan - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:24

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:24
hi warren h

contact consumer affairs or what ever it's
called in your state

i'm sure they cant sell/exchange a 9kg gas bottle if i'ts not full under the fair trading act

but beware of the fact the assistant may be telling furpthy's
to sell there own product ???????

same as fuel bowsers have to be checked by a regulatory body

consumer affairs should be able to give you advice on this and direct you as to what course of action to take

there may be a body who will come out and test the suspect under filled bottles if the sales assistants facts are true???????

there are the devious and cheats in all systems you know especially where sales are involved
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Follow Up By: dbish - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:59

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:59
Hi Warren, Here in SA Swap&Go cylinders are marked as 8.5Kg & are filled byweight on scales that shut of the filling pump automaticly, they arenot filled by the bleed method. Daryl
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:33

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:33
Warren,

Consider this; a 9 kg bottle holds 17.65 litres of LPG. Current price of LPG around Malbourne is about 55 cents/litre.

17.65 x 55 c = $9.71

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Jim.

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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:42

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:42
But when you buy it at that price it is selfserve.

To get a bottle of gas filled takes approximatively 15 minutes.

$80.00 per labour charge out cost equals $20.00 for 15 minutes of work plus the $9.71 equals $29.71 plus GST equals $32.68 for a refill......
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Follow Up By: fugwurgin - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:56

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:56
olcoolone
i dont think the poor sales guy is on $80 an hour. more like $20.. or have i misread your post?

i had to buy a new gas bottle for my camper trailer last month. i have a 4.5kg holder on the side of it. the 9kg bottles were obviously way too big, the 4.5kg ones i could find were all too tall and too thin so when the clamps tightened it didnt touch the sides. i went to various stores. ended up paying $42 for a short fat 4kg bottle. What hurt the most was 9kg bottles were on special for $37 @ Big W. go figure!

I prefer to get my bottles filled at bcf as they always seem to competitive in price. those swap and go deals seem a rip off to me.


its the same as fuel- gotta have it, gotta pay the price!
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:00

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:00
I get mine filled at Supagas. The gas is under pressure the same as their LPG bowsers and it takes about two minutes to fill.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Rob! - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:05

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:05
I think olcoolone was refering to the charge out cost which is usually 3 to 4 times what the guy actaully earns. Having said that I doubt it takes 15 minutes to fill a bottle. 10 min max. But you also don't get the volume discount like you do for the car.
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Follow Up By: CruisinDub - Saturday, Jun 19, 2010 at 01:08

Saturday, Jun 19, 2010 at 01:08
Hi all,

As a follow up, here is a website of the 'camping' LPG cylinders.

http://www.tinleytech.co.uk/acatalog/Camping_Accessories.html

Looks good value, cant see that it would take too long to reclaim your money back at the LPG per-litre prices compared to 'swap-n-go' cylinders.

Was thinking about getting oen of these fo our 3 way fridge to run efficiently on gas.

By all accounts though, on a thread I started just after this one, that getting them filled in Aus could be an issue?

Cheers Paul

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 00:52

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 00:52
"i dont think the poor sales guy is on $80 an hour. more like $20.. or have i misread your post? "

If you employ someone and pay them $20 an hour, pay workers comp (10%?), superannuation, holiday pay, sick pay, overtime, training, uniform/PPE, etc and still charge him out at $20 an hour, what do you reckon will happen?
If you need to ring your accountant for the answer-you need'nt even ask the question!
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Follow Up By: fugwurgin - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 13:10

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 13:10
Fisho64
I understand the concept for covering costs in a retail environment, what idiot doesnt. So i dont have to ring my acountant. but thanks anyway for your insight.
I am not sure if you were just fishing for a bite with you comment or not. But i have to say i am a little confused as to the point of your reply.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.




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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 21:20

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 21:20
point being that even if the sales guy was getting $20 an hour, thats not what costs the business to provide the service to the customer.
Filling bottles is labour intensive.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 21:53

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 21:53
and your right , yes it did come across a bit unintended, my apologies
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Reply By: happychap - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:50

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:50
Hi,

I think that if you check, you will find that 9 Kg gas bottles can legally only be filled to 8.5 Kg. For that matter, no gas bottle, nor fuel container, should be filled to capacity. There must be an allowance for ullage.

When we had a large onground gas storage tank some years ago, it was engraved on the tank that it´s maximum fill was 85% of the stated capacity.

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John
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:49

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:49
John a mate of mine who's job it is to deliver & fill gas bottles was saying that the 9kg bottle is actually 8.5kg of gas, as you stated.
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Reply By: Member - Phantom (WA) - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:09

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:09
Hey Warren,
I recently went through the same. I bought a new empty bottle for $35 from Ranger Camping. Went to Mitre 10 hardware acroos the road and was told 38.50 to fill. Thought that seemed expensive so I went home and rang up BCF. Guess what $22.50. Went down there and had it filled. Should have gone back to Mitre 10 as they have a 10% discount if a cheaper price is found but too hard.
It pays to shop around.

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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:16

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:16
Never mind when you are in a remote area like the Kimberley where it cost me $9 to fill a 1kg bottle last year
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Follow Up By: Fatso - Monday, Jun 21, 2010 at 15:52

Monday, Jun 21, 2010 at 15:52
Halls creek about 13 years ago I paid $11 to fill a 2kg gas cylinder.
I paid $9 the other day here in Cairns at Rays to fill a 2kg gas cylinder.
That time in Halls Creek diesel was $1.01 & it was 62 cents in Wyndham.
No wonder the black fellas targeted the servo in the riots around then & burnt it down.
Emu Export was $42 a carton at the pub. The publican reckons it was freight. They all love to blame freight.
I told him it was $30 a carton in Cairns & he said it has to come from Perth. There was only one brewery making the stuff & the cartons in Cairns came from Perth too. A lot further than Halls Creek.
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:54

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:54
Gidday

There was a parliamentary inquiry into LPG pricing in WA a few years ago, sparked by the disparity in the prices motorists pay here compared to other states. WA is much more expensive and there is no competition between the suppliers.

As with all things relating to the price of fuels the inquiry went nowhere.

It also moved over into the prices charged for gas in a bottle, particularly in rural and regional areas where gas is used extensively for domestic cooking and heating and received evidence that a large gas bottle for the house could vary in price by a huge margin in towns only a relatively short distance apart.

Basically the inquiry found that the different distributors, many of them monopoly suppliers in their area, charged what they felt the market will bear.

Obviously the swap bottle people do the same thing and you pay a hefty premium for the convenience of being able chuck the bottle in the car and swap it over at the servo at the same time as you fuel the car. Going to BCF, Rays, Bunnings or wherever and waiting while they do the job isn't as easy.

Like someone says above, it always pays to shop around.

Cheers

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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:07

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:07
Hi Warren

We alway get our own refilled, and there was no issue with them fitting securely into the brackets. Each new bottle we have purchased has been marginally different in diameter. Gas and gas bottle costs came to the fore with us when travelling last year, and our bottles 'date expired'. New ones were very expensive in more remote locations, so we purchased an empty when we found a better price. While in Cessnock NSW, advertised prices of 9 kg fills along the main road varied from 16.95 to 19.95. However Murphy struck when we ran out of gas, and the older bottle leaked gas when turned on, after we had left Cessnock. Next town was Mudgee, where the two outlets quoted $34 odd and $33 - twice the price! Hardly a remote area, and more than we had ever paid before. Competition does a lot of good for us, but when travelling in rural and remote areas, we pretty well have to pay the price, as we do with fuel and other commodities.

On travel forums BFC stores get a favourable mention with gas refill pricing.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:09

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:09
Or should that be BCF stores - OOPS
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Reply By: Territory29 - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:43

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:43
Bugger... Just paid $44 for 9Kg at Kleenheat in Broome.
I think that they saw me comming.
Won't fall for that again.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:07

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:07
Hi Greg

You may find that the local prices in Broome are all similar, and by the time you've spent $5 or $10 in fuel driving around to check for a better deal, you'd be behind.

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 00:53

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 00:53
"by the time you've spent $5 or $10 in fuel driving around to check for a better deal, you'd be behind."

and hence the beauty of FUELWATCH.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 18:04

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 18:04
Fuel watch will help you with fuel prices in Broome Fisho, but not with gas refills.

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 21:21

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 21:21
true-sorry I was thinking of car LPG fills!
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Follow Up By: Member - Warrie (NSW) - Monday, Jun 21, 2010 at 22:27

Monday, Jun 21, 2010 at 22:27
Was in Broome 2 weeks ago and Mitre 10 fills any bottle for $3.87 /kg. I had read about this on this forum! I just topped up my 9kg with about 7kg worth. Now in Katherine and at Red Gum van park it's $4/kg. The bottle lasted 20 days from Broome to Katherine. Alas but Kleenheat has a monopoly in WA and so charge exhorbitantly for both autogas and BBQ gas IMHO!!... W
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Follow Up By: Member - Warrie (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 22, 2010 at 19:24

Tuesday, Jun 22, 2010 at 19:24
WHOOPS, that should be $3/kg at Red Gum.. W
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Reply By: ben_gv3 - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:03

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:03
I've seen 9kg refills at the local (Randwick NSW) independent servo for $19.99.
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:22

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:22
Bought an 'old' out of date 9Kg bottle some months ago for just a few $$, took it to a busy Bunning and "swapped" it for a near new (2009) bottle and gas for $32 ??
Now have 3 as new bottles, instead of 3 obsolete bottles, I just continue to get them refilled until they get near the expiry date, then swap them for new ones, because I believe the guys filling them fill them more completely than the 'swap an go' companies do.

Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:23

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:23
And we sell the stuff to China and Japan at $0.03 cents per kg delivered , go figure who is getting ripped off.
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Follow Up By: Peter Horne [Krakka] - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 16:40

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 16:40
Alloy c/t, could you please show us where you got that figure from, I hear figures like this all the time but nobody has yet been able to substantiate this claim?
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Follow Up By: Rob! - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 18:04

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 18:04
If you bought those volumes you'd get it fairly cheap too.

How much do you think powerstations pay for a kg of coal and how much do you pay for bag for your webber?
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Follow Up By: Peter Horne [Krakka] - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 18:25

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 18:25
But 0.03c per kg delivered! That is as good as FREE in my book. How much fuel do you think one of those ships use to deliver that gas, plus wages plus harbour fees, just a trifle hard to believe me thinks.

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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 20:32

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 20:32
I agree Pete, it sounds like unmitigated horse dung to me.

Some evidence to support the claim is unlikely to be forthcoming.

Cheers,

Jim.

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 01:08

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 01:08
it is horse manure. And the ships run off the "boil off", gas that you normally see burning on a flare tower on a rig or otherwise vented to atmosphere.
The return trip is off the residue in the tanks with bunker oil in case it runs out.

What idiot would expect a mega volume customer to pay retail for his gas?

There is so much bollocks written on this subject. Often you will see "we should be saving this gas for domestic use" etc.

To drill and process this gas, a certain volume must be sold to be economic. Same as spending a million bucks to build a petrol station and then only selling petrol to Toyota Prius drivers.

It simply wouldnt be economic to produce this gas in small volumes.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:26

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:26
Warren,
Try your local Stratco - they have had the cheapest refills in my experience.
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Reply By: Peter Horne [Krakka] - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 16:42

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 16:42
Don't know where you are is SA Warren, but BCF at Noarlunga is $20.00 per 9kg refill, and there is a bloke on Seaford rd at Seaford offering $18.00 refills but next day pick up.

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Reply By: The Landy - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 17:14

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 17:14
I think the price disparity has as much to do whether the supplier see it as a service, a money making venture, or a really don’t want to do it but need to as a service to customers and price accordingly.

But life is full of these types of disparities, anyone shopping at Woolworth’s or Coles would now that.

What about airline tickets, you fly on the same plane for either half as much, or twice as much as someone sitting next to you.

And let’s not even talk about 4WD drive after-market accessories.

Good weekend to all as Beer O’Clock rolls around,

Cheers, The Landy


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Follow Up By: Member - warren h (SA) - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 18:04

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 18:04
I think you have made some excellent points but I dont think a little bit of jumping up and down about it hurts and its nice to get things of your chest even if its a wasted exercise, but having said that all of the responses have been informative and entertaining.

On a separate note had look at your profile picture and am impressed by your set up.

Cheers Warren.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 19:41

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 19:41
And nothing wrong with jumping up and down....I was b eing a bit tongue in cheek!

Thanks for the note on The Landy.....

Cheers, The Landy
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 01:18

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 01:18
"What about airline tickets, you fly on the same plane for either half as much, or twice as much as someone sitting next to you."

mostly because you accept the risk of being able (or not) of changing you travel date. (Full fare, Flexi, promotional, etc
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Reply By: Steve - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 17:44

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 17:44
Metro servos do refills for $19.95 - just (6 months) gone up from $17.95
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Reply By: RoyHarvey - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 17:47

Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 17:47
The hardware store at the "Maid and Magpie" corner was $20 for 9kg when I went past last week.
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Follow Up By: Member - Longtooth (SA) - Saturday, Jun 19, 2010 at 21:28

Saturday, Jun 19, 2010 at 21:28
Good price RoyHarvey. What town/city/state is this store?
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Reply By: Pushy - Saturday, Jun 19, 2010 at 08:29

Saturday, Jun 19, 2010 at 08:29
In reference to the above posts and as a retailer I offer the following comments.

LPG or camping gas is a different gas to car gas and the liquid natural gas we sell to China. China is getting the gas so cheap because they are purchasing billions of litres of the stuff.

The same applies for retailers the more you buy the cheaper it gets.
From my experience those selling for around $20 would be basically selling at cost just to get people into the store hoping to make other sales. Anything over $30 is a bit excessive.

When a cylinder is stated as say 9 kg this is only a rough guide.The actual amount of gas you get depends on things such as the air temp and the pressure in the filling tank. You will generally get more gas by refilling at a servo or hardware rather than by doing a swap. The swap cylinders are filled by a machine and to ensure safety are filled by weight to the 8.5 kg level.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 01:21

Sunday, Jun 20, 2010 at 01:21
I think you will find that in many country towns the gas bottle is filled from the same tank as the cars.

Absolutely correct about the chinkies though.
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Reply By: Members - Bow & Nan - Monday, Jun 21, 2010 at 17:15

Monday, Jun 21, 2010 at 17:15
The local servo at Narellan will fill a 9 kg bottle for $15
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