Supercharge All-Rounder batteries- what charger settings do you use?
Submitted: Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:30
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fugwurgin
Hi all
i was wondering what settings you use to charge a Supercharge Allrounder. i have a 105amp hr sucker and an Electro 10 Amp 3 stage charger. The guy at battery world suggested i set it to "Calcium" and float it @ 13.8v.
The battery dropped a cell and was replaced under warranty. He then told me to set the charger to "Wet". I dont have a lot of faith in the advice given by him unfortunately.
Perhaps calcium is the correct setting and the battery was faulty, or calcium setting is too high of a voltage (around 15-16v i think) and it cooked it.
what are other people doing with these batteries?
And those who are familiar with the Electro brand chargers- what do you think of them?
Thanks in advance to those who can help.
Fugwurgin!
Reply By: garrycol - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:36
Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 14:36
The battery is a lead flooded battery with the plates constructed so that the top of the plates are lighter for use as a starter battery and the lower section of the plates are heavier to provide the deep cycle aspect.
I was advised that my normal "home" battery charger with a charge then maintenance cycle was best but would take a while to charge due to its lower output (only about 3 amps).
The battery is normally charged from my alternator when I drive around but at
home I put it on the above charger once a week with no problems.
In the type of charger you mentioned I believe it should be set to wet - there is no evidence I can find concerning it being calcium.
Garry
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:41
Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 15:41
Garry,
If you truly believe "there is no evidence I can find concerning it being calcium" I suggest you should look closer as I've stated it's Calcium and the charger should be set to calcium because that is the correct charge regime for that battery.
As to "the plates constructed so that the top of the plates are lighter" and "the lower section of the plates are heavier" that's an interesting idea, I would like to see the manufacturers specs that you have obviously read telling you that :)
Maîneÿ . .
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Reply By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 16:22
Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 16:22
From the Supercharge website:
SuperCharge starting and deep cycle batteries are designed for more than starting, better able to sustain constant accessory loads. Powered by Expanded Calcium
Grid (EXG) Technology, it can tolerate high temperature, resist vibration and provide high cranking power and reserve capacity.
AllRounder
ALLROUNDER
I've had one in the Patrol as second battewry for two years now. It's still going OK.
Peter
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Follow Up By: fugwurgin - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 16:36
Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 16:36
Thanks Peter
I feel like a tool now. haha
I just had another look at the website and saw it. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
For the life of me i could not find anything before with the mention of calcium.
Regards
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Reply By: drivesafe - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 20:51
Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 20:51
Hi Fugwurgin, you haven’t mentioned whether you over discharged the battery at any time.
These are just like conventional flooded wet cell batteries in that they do not like deep discharge cycles and the more and deeper you do discharge them, the shorter the life span you can expect.
Calcium/Calcium batteries, like just about everything else related to vehicle 12v systems and batteries, are surrounded with a lot of mysticism.
I can see these batteries probably replace all other forms, including AGMs, in the not to distant future.
But to your problem, you don’t need to have a special charger for charging a calcium battery. A normal charger will work fine, it just won’t fully charger these batteries just as your alternator will not fully charge them.
Contrary to how this may sounds, it’s actually not a problem and there is no evidence that you need to fully charge them to get a decent life span from them.
While your alternator and a standard battery charger will not fully charge them, they will charge them to 95-97% and this seems to be satisfactory to keep them in good nick.
These batteries are not all that new and have been around in large enough numbers to show they are good value for money and as to Allrounders in specific, I have two of them I use for different testing and R&D work, one of them is coming up to 4 years old and is still in top nick and I either use a standard 5 stage charger, no special C/C setting or an alternator to charge them.
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Follow Up By: fugwurgin - Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 21:18
Friday, Jun 18, 2010 at 21:18
hi drivesafe
thanks for your reply,
i dont think i have over discharged it, i usually put in on the charger every few days when im at
home and when im out camping away from 240v i
check periodically with a m/meter to monitor it. the lowest ive seen it is 11.8v, i have been told no lower than 11.5v or it will decrease its life as you have stated. My fridge has a cut out of 10.8v (useless- i think this is its operating voltage min rather a protection setting) was considering getting a cut-out switch that is more appropriate but havent got round to it.
I just needed to know if these batteries were Ca and wether or not i should be using the Ca setting to get them full which has now been resolved.
I know my piddly little alternator wont get it fully charged but if i can can get it to full with the charger before i go away camping, wont i get a longer time out of it to run my fridge if im away? ie if it is fully charged i hope to get 4 days running my fridge opposed to 2-3 days if only "nearly charged".
Thanks again for your reply.
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