Toyota landcruiser _ GL or GXL

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 14:37
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As with everything it all starts with research . Someone has planted the seed to buy a landcruiser for 4WDing .The one recommend is a GXL or GL 100 series . These retail around $15k mark BUT
1. how many is too many KMs on the clock?

2.what are they like in normal traffic and what is the petrol consumption for every day suburban use?

3.Will there be enough room for 3 large teenage males in the back ..looks a little cramped to me

4. We want to tow a 4x4 camper trailer..how will it handle this

5. what should we avoid?

6. any handy advice for new players?

Your thoughts very much appreciated
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 14:51

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 14:51
You will be struggling to get a 100ser for 15 k that is any good.

A GXL is the up spec model Dont know of a GL

They are probably the roomiest of any 4wd

A good one wont even notice a trailer as they are rated to tow 3500kg

Depends on where it did the K's as to how many is too many

They are actually the same length as a Commodore Just appear bigger.

Are easier to park than the Patrol I had previously but still need a wide parking bay
Dont have a petrol but have heard they are thirsty wehen towing.

You should avoid Ex mine vehicles.

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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 14:54

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 14:54
There is no such thing as a GL.

There is the standard with diesel only non turbo and barn doors 6 seats 105 series,

RV in petrol or non turbo diesel lift up rear door 8 seats, 105 series

GXL up to 2006 in 6cyl or non turbo diesel 8 seats 105 series

from 1999 GXL, Sahara, GXV or Lexus LS470 in Turbo diesel or V8 petrol.

All 100 series have IFS all 105 series have Rigid front axle.

Fuel consumption depends on too many things the non turbo diesels regularly drink more than some petrols and are slowwwww. The Turbo models use less fuel than a petrol but the overall service costs are higher.

lcool.org is a great source of info for cruisers.

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 17:17

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 17:17
"the non turbo diesels regularly drink more than some petrols"
That's unlikely :-) I can think of no situation where a 1Hz diesel would ever use more fuel than a petrol 100 series. My experience is petrols use around 20% more in general running about increasing to 40%+ offroad or towing. This is backed up in the Trek Fuel data where the 4.2 diesel is showing 17L per 100 verses the 4.5L petrol around 26 for a Simpson crossing.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 08:00

Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 08:00
We will have to agree to disagree on that. I have owned 47 cruisers and I would and do own a petty over a diesel anyday. Depends how you drive it and how you maintain it.
If you are worried about fuel on any vehicle then you are looking at the wrong vehicle anyway. There is always LPG if you are worried.....or a getz

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 16:37

Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 16:37
Disagree if you like but I challenge you to show any sort of example where a petrol 100 uses less fuel than a diesel that is the same weight/towing the same load & maintained in a similar condition, in other words a fair comparison. I've been on many LCOOL (Landcruiser Online) trips so have seen the best comparisons possible (at the petrol pump) with cars travelling the same distance & speed over the same country & without exception the petrols used more every time, often lots more.
Now when it comes to a comparison of whole of life costing & the econemy when running a petrol on gas well that's a whole new kettle of fish where the result is much closer.
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 15:49

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 15:49
Margot,
The best way to get started for a novice is to spend a day going around a few dealers yards with no intention of buying (don't tell them). Take a note pad and a digital camera and have a good look at all the makes & models, prices vs condition and generally get a feel for the differences.

You will soon see that you pay for what you get and what are the priorities for you. Don't think of looking at private sales until you start to feel confident about what you want. Make sure you have someone with good mechanical knowledge and experience with 4wds to help you pick a good one. It is easy to make a very expensive mistake if you are impulsive.

Look up the Red Book on the web which will give you a broad guide on price once you have a particular vehicle in mind. It is only a guide.

Good luck in you hunting and take your time. 4wd touring opens up a whole new world even in these times of increasing restrictions and closures.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 15:54

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 15:54
Small problem with a good 100 ser especially a TD they dont last long enough in a car yard to get a look at them.


Also look UNDERNEATH them.

My neighbour bought a nice looking one until I slid under it and saw the dented sump, heaps of bashes and scrapes Had been a real offroader tarted up to catch a mug.

It did unfortunately.


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Follow Up By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 15:55

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 15:55
Margot,
Sorry did not include specific questions.

1. how many is too many KMs on the clock?
Vast difference between petrol and diesel and different makes/models. A well cared for diesel LC will be good for 500,000 or more.

2.what are they like in normal traffic and what is the petrol consumption for every day suburban use?
Ideally avoid using them in city traffic as they do chew up fuel expecially petrol.

3.Will there be enough room for 3 large teenage males in the back ..looks a little cramped to me
LC100 would be about the roomiest.

4. We want to tow a 4x4 camper trailer..how will it handle this
No problem.

5. what should we avoid?
See earlier response. Buying a cheapy may not be a good move unless you are prepared to put up with regular repairs and perhaps poor reliability. A well looked after 80 series may be a better entry point for you if price is a major concern.



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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 20:26

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 20:26
Alastair the 4.5 dohc petrol are good for 400000ks if well serviced and not put on gas. 400000ks is not unusual for modern petrol motors, toyotas and Isuzus in particular.
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Reply By: Member - Margot M (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 17:15

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 17:15
All great suggestions ... main area that i dont have a feel for no matter the model is how many is too many KMs on a second hand 4x4.i have seen some around 340,000 mark .
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 17:28

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 17:28
50,000 km is too many if it's been abused & 340,000 km is fine if it's been well maintained. Each vehicle is different & it's condition for example needs to be judged more on where it's been driven, who by, how well maintained it has been & was it used for towing. In other words don't neccesarily judge them by their KM's.
Cheers Craig........
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 20:41

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 20:41
Craig is on the mark, to give you an example my wife and I both own Jacks, my wifes is an o3 with 90000ks, mine is a 98 with 164000ks, Sals looks immaculate but I reckon mine is the better vehicle, goes better, more economical, less creaks and rattles and feels like it will do another 200000ks easy. Personnally I like to buy privately off the orinigal owner, I look at the house they live in, what sort of people they are, this gives me glues to how well the vehicle was serviced or not, and what sort of life it has led. If wherehegone on this site was to put his prado up for sale I would snap it up because I know what a fuss pot he is with his vehicles.
As for your question how many ks is to many well with a petrol less then 150000, and a diesel less then 250000, but you will not find 100 series with low ks cheap.
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Reply By: Con_Qld - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 20:09

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 20:09
I have a GXL 105, 1HZ stock standard, approx 165,00kms - very happy with it, although not quick at taking off. A turbo would have been better, but at the moment am towing a caravan approx. 2.8 tons from Brisbane to Katherine. The cruiser was also fully laden. Travelled up the Toowoomba range in 1st gear, but got up ok (no overheating either). Speeds vary from 75-100kms. A bit heavy on fuel usage, but towing 2.8 tons, would tend to use more than normal usage.
Hope this information would help with your decision.
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Reply By: maccax7 - Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 20:30

Tuesday, Jul 06, 2010 at 20:30
Hi Margot, no pressure, just have a look at my cruiser in the trader section. It was my first Cruiser and wilL not be my last. It will answer all your questions as an entry level. Enough room for the teenagers, i used to have Pajeros, mine don't winge any more. Put mine on the hoist any time you like. Fuel consumption with a fully decked out Kimberley Kamper is always 16.5 lt/100ks. Around town 14.0, highway no trailer 12. As the others have said check them out as there are some roughies out there but.
Looking forward to every weekend being a looong weekend

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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 08:50

Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 08:50
Hi Margot, I had the same issues before buying my wagon. I owned Hiluxs & they are unbreakable & I would prefer a Toyota, but couldnt find one in my budget that was in the condition I wanted. I thought I needed a diesel too.
Result was a 2000 V6 Jackaroo...came in under budget...$14k...only 87ks & it now
has 135k..nearly all outback touring & not one problem. As much room inside as
a cruiser we average 15L/100km towing a C/t with 4 adults on board. Does about
13L/100 not towing (country driving). We only use it as a holiday tug, probably not
ideal as a daily driver in the city though. Roomy, strong & comfortable & an auto
too...wouldnt part with it. They are around with low k's..check eBay or Carpoint.
cheers...oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:29

Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:29
Good day Baz,
Yes their us a Jackaroo equip with apoz 100000ks 02 I think for about $15000 and that is a dealer. Sorry on Carsales .com
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Member - Margot M (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 10:47

Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 10:47
Thanks all
Olbaz you are probably closer to the mark on how we would be using it . And that is as a holiday 4x4 vehicle to tow a 4x4 camper trailer .
From teh posts it seems that these models just keep going and going. I'll check out ebay etc

Again thankyou all for your hints and tips
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:42

Wednesday, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:42
Hi Margot, when checking Jacks try for a post 99 as they have the 3.5 Litre motor, earlier ones had a 3.2. I find the auto great & wouldnt go back to a manual, but I wouldnt discount a manual if in the right condition. The 3 Litre
diesels have had some issues & personally I would avoid them. After 01 the "wide
body " version came out til 03, with some upgrades. Use google to establish which
models have which features. Stay under 200 k with a probable price range between $10 to $15k. Ignore those asking above that...unless in perfect condition
they wont bring it. The more bolt on stuff it has is usually an indicator of a full life,
but be guided by general condition. Your greatest ally is a good service history, if
no history..leave it alone. An inspection by an accredited mechanic can also be a
very wise initiative. Good Luck with your search....oldbaz.


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