Bloomfield Track - VW Touareg & Kedron June 2010

Submitted: Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 07:43
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G'day all

Did anyone get a picture or video of the VW Touareg towing the Kedron caravan up the exit from Wujal Wujal heading south on around the 20th June 2010?

I know there were many spectators & I really would appreciate any pictures of this. Unfortunately we didn't get any as we were kind of busy! :)

Also a big thanks to those who helped us with this.

Cheers
Alan
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Reply By: Member - Don M- Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 07:55

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 07:55
Can't help with the video but I saw that guy at Wonga before we went to the Cape and later, at Twin Falls. About a 21' Top Ender and white Toureg, both looked new.

So, did they actually make it?? I didn't see them again after Twin Falls.

I must say that I wondered what possessed them buying such an unusual combo which, I may add, was way out of balance. The back of the Toureg was very low and the front of the van likewise. The WDH was on the second chain link from the end but even if tightened, it wouldn't have got the rig level.

Don't get me wrong though, I think the Toureg is a great all round SUV, I just think it is the wrong choice for towing a heavy, serious off road van especially when the vehicle is not such.
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Follow Up By: Wunda - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:28

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:28
G'day Dom

Thanks for your quick response.

It's actually my Touareg & Kedron 22' Top Ender & yes we made it down the Bloomfield. If the road works which blocked half the road width weren't there we would have had no difficulty.

We actually made it all the way to The Tip (Punsand Bay) & enjoyed Loyalty Beach etc. We also went into Kingfisher Camp.

As to the towing ability of the Touareg it was & still is just perfect. The back of the Touareg is not that low when it's connected, the bikes & boat on the roof make it sit a little lower though. We will look into stronger rear springs if we continue with these on the roof.

BTW the Touareg has same towing ability, higher ground clearance, more torque etc etc than a 100/200 Landcruiser & it gives better fuel economy. It also has low range, just great for hard work. :) I would rate the Touareg as a more serious off road vehicle than a Landcruiser 100/200 any day. But that's just my person view! :)

We think it's a great combination. But we do get a lot of comments as the Touareg just looks small in front of the Kedron.

Cheers
Alan





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Follow Up By: Gronk - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 09:24

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 09:24
You sure are going to get a few replies from your last post !!!!!!

You may be thinking its a better off road TOWING vehicle than a 200 series, but I'm sure you didn't mean a better vehicle in off road ability when NOT towing ??????
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:09

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:09
Well the Toureg is a good vehicle and, on paper, it stacks up well with a 200. But there are virtually no after-market parts available for a Toureg, unlike a 200, which has virtually every concievable item readily available. Almost no vehicle, and especially a Toureg or a 200, is ready for long distance outback touring in stock form. And that IMHO is why next to no-one else uses a Toureg for outback touring.

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:23

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:23
Same as Gronk.

You must be joking. I would love to see it up on some of those rocky tracks in the vic high mountains. No way. Albeit a good one its still a soft roader. We have had well prepared Prados and Pajs turn back. VW Tourage - No way.

Surely you mean towing on something as simple as the Bloomfield. Not serious off road stuff. If its so good why didn't you go along the OTT and the CREB.

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:05

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:05
This is the usual - I drive a Toyota and it is better than anything else type of argument. Usually the toyota is decked out in heaps of aftermarket gear to make it perform offroad where the other vehicle is usually standard.

On the showroom floor I doubt there would be much difference between a Tourag and the various Yotas - but bring in a V10 Tourag and I know which would be better.

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Follow Up By: Member - Don M- Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:52

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:52
Garry,

Nobody is saying the Toureg isn't a good vehicle, it is, but it's horses for courses and you are missing the point.

Off the showroom floor the Toyota 200 is a better off road and tow vehicle than the Toureg, either in V6 or V10 TDI form.

On road, yes, both versions of the Toureg are no doubt a better driving vehicle and have a very nice, luxury car like interior.

Also Alan, sorry to labour this point, the Toureg in V6TDI form, has quite a bit less power (176kw vs 196kw) and torque (550Nm vs 650Nm) than the 200 series and in both cases, developed at higher revs.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:31

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:31
I guess the beauty of the forum is that everyone has their view.

I see you have a Toyota and may be a bit biased - I have neither a VW or a Toyota but have driven both offroad and I know which in standard form I would have to travel offroad.

Garry

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Follow Up By: Member - Leigh (Vic) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 19:42

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 19:42
Love your views and pleased you are so happy with your vehicle...good on you I say! Just in case however make sure you carry your own snatch strap cos I don't pull mine out for others. LOL. Cheers mate.
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Reply By: Voxson - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:29

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:29
I saw a Mazda Bravo single cab ute with a gooseneck towing a 28foot caravan...
I also saw yours at Kingfisher....

Well done for living on the edge...
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Reply By: Wunda - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:32

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:32
G'day Don & Captain

I didn't mean to start a conversation on Landcruisers vs Touareg's. All I'm after are some pictures of us getting up Wujal Wujal.

When we were at Kingfisher Camp there were 2 Landcruisers 100's there that both had to have radiators flown in from Townsville. So I'm not that worried about parts availability as almost all parts have to be flown in.

However I do acknowledge that there are more Bush Mechanics out there familiar with Landcruisers. Almost all of them haven't even seen a Touareg let alone worked on one.

I would stack up a Touareg against a Landcruiser 100/200 in "stock" form off road without towing. They really are a super vehicle & under rated in Aus.

I've driven both. Landcruisers are a great car as well, don't get me wrong. we nearly bought one!

Anyone with any pictures of us getting up Wujal Wujal?? Please!!!!!

Cheers
Alan
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff H (QLD) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 16:00

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 16:00
Horses for Courses,

I followed a mate to the cape in a new 200 series and he could not get to the same places as my 16 year old 80 series .

However for 99% of the time he was travelling in luxury, I just wish someone would bring out something like the 80 series with all the power and luxury of the 200.

I might have to look at a Touareg.

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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 18:19

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 18:19
Well Geoff, maybe its the driver :) I had an 80 series and now a 200 and there is simply no comparison between the two, especially in stock form. A stock 200 runs rings around a stock 80, the traction control alone is about 90% equivalent to twin difflocks - but if you had the factory 80 series diff locks then thats another story. Perhaps your mate was more scared of damage to his 200 series than you were to your 16 year old 80 series?

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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff H (QLD) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 19:58

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 19:58
Yes it's a much nicer vehicle than the 80, his front end was the problem, I have 2 live axles and can walk over rough terrain where the 200 would bottom out.

It's also much easier to have some fun in a $10,000 vehicle than a $100,000 one.

He also had trouble with dust getting in through the tailgate, an engine management problem, and a loose seat, not sure if they make them like they used too.

I love Toyotas but I will have a good look around before I upgrade, just have to wait for the Super Payout.

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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 21:21

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 21:21
Will see in 18 years time whats still going. go the 80.
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Follow Up By: Member - Alex K (NSW) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 22:07

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 22:07
I had an 80 series for 5 years - awesome truck. Couldn't justify $100K on a stock 200 series so bought a 79 series and optioned it up.

Geoff you're right, there a big gap now between the farm trucks and the lux 200 series land cruiser.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 13, 2010 at 01:38

Tuesday, Jul 13, 2010 at 01:38
Hi Alan,

I too didn't want this thread to degenerate into a "mines bigger than yours" thread. As I said earlier, the Toureg is a great vehicle and I am glad it suits your purpose. My 200 couldn't do what I want it to do in stock form so aftermarket parts is a big issue for me and wipes out the Toureg for what I want/do, but doesn't mean it isn't suitable for others.

As for what is better in stock form, I think that boils down to who is prepared to push a ~$100K vehicle harder. I am sure both vehicles would go further than any sensible OWNER would dare take them - I know how many scratches and sidestep dents I already have and thats without getting it stuck!

Old Girl - I am sure an 18 year old 200 will go further than a 36 year old 80 ;)

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Reply By: Member - Alex K (NSW) - Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 22:15

Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 22:15
Also, don't want to clutch at straws but simplifying 13 years of land cruisers as 100/200 series doesn't provide an accurate comparison. I'd agree the 96KW, 285NM 105 series wouldn't compare to a brand spanking new Tourareg... but i know which one i'd rely in after 13 years of abuse in the bush, beach and desert.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 13, 2010 at 00:21

Tuesday, Jul 13, 2010 at 00:21
i would personally like to have the V6 or V10 toureg motor in the 200 in preferance to the tojo V8 ,they may be a bit more reliable and use fewer injectors , use less oil (un explainably) and less likely to slow down and have to be driven in limp home mode.
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