CSR permits - now confused

Have a look re: PERMITS

You need no permits at all except as you go off the track.

Durba Springs isn't a well and is off the tracks as are several specific places listed where shaker directed you to.

As of about 10 days ago a group was doing a 100% check at Durba springs and not everyone entering permits (interesting).

By the way it wasn't worth visiting when we were there , water contaiminated, no firewood, group making a film , and various interested parties telling you not to go to the end of the campground as its a special place , don't walk over there etc - I could go on !

We just got the $50 permit from the 4wd association anyway - more or less to put some money in the kity.

Hi Lizard,

That's the big question, one that probably won't be answered here...

What is the Canning Stock Route? Is it the original wide easement following the wells or is it the track that most 4wdrivers use? The Canning Stock Route is exempt from both the larger determinations being Martu and Birriliburu so the question needs to be addressed.

The aboriginal people have a right to the use of the land to a certain extent, however I feel that they ask for restrictions that are more than their legal right to do so and are currently relying on a majority of public naivety and quiescency to get their way.

You can get this permit and that permit; I think it is better to look at the bigger picture first rather than hand your money over to a 4WD association that does not represent you or reflect your vision.

Cheers
Alan

With regard to the question of permits and should you get them and why should the Aust 4Wd Assoc be involved.



Here’s a little bit of history on permits etc and why you should do the right thing.

Whether you think the Martu or whoever has Native Title over land has any right to ask us to get permits should not mean you don’t get permits. At this stage unless someone takes them on in court to test how far their powers extend, they hold the cards.

If some one does take such a matter to court they may win or on the other hand they may loose and Native title holders may find they have even greater powers than they originally thought. Its a risk.

I strongly believe you should get permits regardless of your feelings, if you don’t then more areas could be locked up. Failure to get permits, over visiting and failure to respect Calvert Range resulted in it now being off limits. Whats next?

When permits to travel the CSR were first mooted, there was chaos. Permits weren’t being issued in time, permit seekers were frustrated and so on.

So the Aust 4Wd Assoc stepped in and offered to run the permit system for the Martu etc and permits are now issued in a timely manner but under the control of the Martu etc.

If the Aust 4wd Assoc hadn’t made the offer we would most probably have a right mess today, with probably even more areas out of bounds on the CSR than we have now.
I believe we owe the Aust 4Wd Assoc a debt of gratitude.

Just my thoughts and cheers to all.

Phil