Is It Just Me, or......

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There seems to be an abundance of Posts on the Forum where people seem to be asking Forum users to do all the research for them, and in a lot of cases, to make the decision for them.

All the usual topics, tyres, fridges, caravans, campers, travel routes. Which one and why.

I've asked questions like these myself in the past but I usually indicate that I've at least looked into things a little before I approach the Forum.

I don't think it's any coincidence that a lot of these types of posts are sitting unanswered for some time before some kind soul steps in.

It's fair enough to ask for advice but please, do some research before asking.

Is it just me, or are people getting bone idle these days?

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Reply By: Notso - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:28

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:28
Yep, and some of us seem to be getting grumpy as well!
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:33

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:33
I've ALWAYS been grumpy !!

Nothing's changed there....

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Follow Up By: Notso - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:51

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:51
Actually, wasn't this question asked before, maybe you should have done a search!
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Reply By: townsville - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:34

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:34
Its NOT u
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Reply By: Dean - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:36

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:36
Couldn't care less.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:42

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:42
Hi GB

Yes, i too get sick of the same questions; sometimes when it has already been asked twice in the preceding few days. Sometimes i will do a search for what i said before and put a link to the thread, but that takes time so it doesn't happen very often. When doing a new post, you have to get past the 'have you done a search?' so no excuses. They must be the same people who would come into the grocery store where i worked and say "You haven't got anything i need" "Like what?" "This this and this" - their entire shopping list; just so some poor overworked office staff would go and do their shopping for them. GRRR

How times have people asked something like "What brand of 4wd (or caravan) caravan should i get?" My usual answer is that there are hundreds of different rigs because we all want something different; get the one YOU want and will be happy with.

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:44

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:44
Maybe we are both going stir crazy MH.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:57

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:57
Yep; we should be touring the outback instead.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:59

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 18:59
I sincerely agree. There have even been some told by the Moderators not to multi post on the same subject.
Also two who have posted twice when one question would have covered each.

The constant ones about satfones and internet would be answered by a simple search as they get asked at least twice a week.

Someone has to Google or similar to find the answer most times so why not the Original poster.

They obviously have the internet as we all do so why not learn to use it THEN ask when they havent found what they want.

One asks where would you get washers for Landrover headlights.
The answer is rather obvious I would think.

I try to help when I can but get sick of the same old same old every week.

Cheers Waits for flames.

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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:00

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:00
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:08

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:08
Colin,

I agree with you (read your post before the Mods did) and yes, I am indeed a grumpy old man.

But, MH is a lot grumpier than I am. Scary, as a matter of fact.

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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:19

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:19
As they say in that popular car ad "8ugger"
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony S (WA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:19

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:19
Hay G.B. you haven't heard me yet.
There again I had better not start.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:29

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:29
But I'm allowed to use fowl language, and be scary HEHEHE

Cluck cluck

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony S (WA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 22:02

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 22:02
Mum Hen,

O gord.

Blame G.B. HE started it!!!

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Reply By: wizzer73 - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:23

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:23
That happens on all forums, not just this one. Easier to ask then search. Some probably ask first then do the search while waiting for answers.
You have a couple choices, either be helpful and offer a nice reply or just ignore completely.

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Reply By: CJ - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:50

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 19:50
Yeah - Sometimes I'd just like to answer -

"Read the bloody manual!!"

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Reply By: andy mitchell - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 20:12

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 20:12
sorry if i have offended some one with this as i am guilty of this in a recent post, i have done extensive searches on the net but i did not indicate this.

i must say i thought we got some great info from some kind people who are living in the areas we are planning on visiting.

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Follow Up By: Harry and Ann (WA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 20:49

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 20:49
IF YOU ASK A QUESTION AND GET GENUINE HELP, GOOD FOR YOU. AND GOOD ON THOSE WHO HELP. THATS WHY I JOINED THIS SITE .
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 22:42

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 22:42
Nice one H & A. That's what it's all about.

Cheers. Mick :-)
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Reply By: nowimnumberone - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:08

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:08
is it just me or do others get annoyed with
ive got a new car under warranty and its playing up what should i do.
its simple TAKE IT BACK TO THE DEALER.
maybe im just getting grumpy
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Follow Up By: Member - Boeing (PER) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:18

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:18
Or, it is "I have purchased a "x 4wd" what fuel economy should I expect?
It should be do the research ie touch/feel/see and once that is done check with forums such as this as a final check. Not the other way around.


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Reply By: Rod W - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:25

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:25
Its because this site has everything all over the place and makes it near impossible to do a satisfactory search, so it becomes easier to re-ask the question.

Every topic and question has been asked a million times before.

Its about time this site became more user friendly with the various items/issues having headings like fridges, tyres, type of vehicle, fuel consumption etc, etc, etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony S (WA) - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 01:53

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 01:53
And photography
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:48

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:48
yes,
and add BOATS . . & . . FISHING
to the list (please)

because some people now tow boats when they travel, they use said boat to go Barramundi fishing in the far north of this wonderful state :-)

Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: Member - Robert R1 (SA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:56

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 21:56
Gone Bush,

This is totally off topic. I like your poem.

Regards,
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 23:50

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 23:50
Thanks Bob.

They are the lyrics to "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" (slightly modified).

If you can download the version by Mel Torme, you'll be very happy.




A month of nights, a year of days
Octobers drifting into Mays
You set your sail when the tide comes in
And you cast your fate to the wind

You shift your course along the breeze
Won't sail up wind on memories
The empty sky is your best friend
And you just cast your fate to the wind

That time has such a way of changing a man throughout the years
And now you're rearranging your life through all your tears
Alone, alone

There never was, there couldn't be
A place in time for men to be
Who'd drink the dark and laugh at day
And let their wildest dreams blow away

So now you're old, you're wise, you're smart
You're just a man with half a heart
You wonder how it might have been
Had you not cast your fate to the wind
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:51

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:51
Robert,

I like your solar arrangement :-)

Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: Joe Grace Doomadgee - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 22:17

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 22:17
but there are some out there that have really boring lives and sit on this forum watching every post and get cranky when someone who has a life and only looks at it once in a while cant make head or tail of the search and thinks well bygger it i will just post it and hope i get a reply and the grumpy mob will asleep or going to the loo between grumpy replys and they can get some help from the less grumpy out there that have a life ......
Cumon grumpys it is Australia and we do pride ourselfs in helping others, we are known around the world for that, we say "hi" to anyone we see, we wave at anyone, we smile at even grumpy people and that ptsses em off a lot but we are Aussies so we shall post, even if it has been posted we shall continue to post as we like havin a yarn .....
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Reply By: Mick O - Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 23:14

Friday, Aug 27, 2010 at 23:14
Damn, where’s the Landy when you need him. I know he’d put this so much better than me.

I’ve never considered this forum to be a chat room ...it’s a forum! The welcoming page invites you to “ask your question” (It doesn’t say “Google is your friend” ?). By virtue of the fact that the majority of people that frequent this site have a common interest in travelling the wide brown land, I’d have thought the entire premise of this forum was to promote and encourage the free exchange of information and experience? Am I wrong? I consider myself an experienced traveller (and a rank amateur compared to other regulars on the site) but I know that I’ve learnt a hell of a lot from people since I started asking the very sort of questions that some might now deem inane. Personally, I couldn’t give a fat rats clack if someone asks about tyres or fridges or whether the harsh desert sun will damage the faux wood grain on the Prado’s dash. Only to happy to share whatever experience I can (don’t go the faux wood grain!).

Yep perhaps the owners might encourage a new poster to do a search first but let’s be fair, we gotta start somewhere and what a great place to start! Where else could you get this information and get it so readily and in a timely fashion?

My thoughts for what they're worth.

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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:56

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 07:56
Mick,

Your thoughts do make sense to me :-)

( but I will get in b4 any1 else does an say "that is no recommendation at all" )

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Follow Up By: Member Dick (Int) - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:22

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:22
Mick, Well said
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:24

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:24
Yep!!!
I'm with him.
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Reply By: Ozymacca - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 06:28

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 06:28
Hi Gone Bush,

Lets just say you want a bit of info on a nissan patrol 3 inch exhaust, Okay so you type that into the search function. nissan patrol 3 inch exhaust. What come up. Please try it. Have a look & see what comes up. You are better off typing this in Google.You will find links in Google covering this subject referring you back to Exploreoz without all the other posts that have nothing to do with your submitted search I find the search function unusable in this forum. So this might have something to do with your complaint.

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Follow Up By: Member - Heather G (NSW) - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:42

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:42
Yep, same here Macca and I have been a member now for a couple of years.

I give up every time I try to use the search function and thought it was just me being dumb!! - yeah ....well probably I am that too.

I am also having trouble putting photos on my blogs and keep giving up there too which is a bigger problem for me as I joined up primarily so I could use the blog function.

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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 16:56

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 16:56
Heather,

You do have 281 photos in blogs so it can't be that bad can it LOL

Is it just that uploading them is slow?? As I have found large photo sizes take a long time to load where as if you reduce the size then it uploads quicker. I keep all my photos standard size and put up with the slow upload speed.

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Follow Up By: Ozymacca - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:28

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:28
Hi Heather G,

I enjoyed reading you blog & your pictures are great keep up the good work. You might need a copy of Breezebrowser pro. This program helps you reduce the file size of your average pics from 3 meg down to under 200kb without loosing to much quality this would make your uploading easier. You can also do this in batches. If you need some with this program. I would be happy to assist.

My picture link below, I reduced these photos for easier upload with Breezebrowser pro



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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 19:23

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 19:23
Hullo Heather,

bit of a stirrer aren't I??

You can easily reduce the size of your pictures with a program already built into MS Office, if that's what you are using.

Right click the picture, select Open with, Microsoft Office Picture Manager, and then up top there's an option to change the size.

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Follow Up By: Member - Heather G (NSW) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 05:18

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 05:18
Hi Kev Macca and Gone Bush,

Thanks for your helpful comments. I have put lots of pics on blogs already so I do know how to do it.

Recently my internet connection seems to be having problems so I am beginning to think it isnt this website but something to do with my USB mobile wireless device. It works sometimes and then other times I cant connect to the internet or I get disconnected at the most inconvenient times. Theres a gremlin in it! lol

I am using Vista and Internet Explorer.

I am in the process of getting it sorted I think.
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 13:57

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 13:57
Macca - You have to learn how to search - There is a lot of tricks to learn - I have not bothered but it works if you take the effort

Put the following in and try again

"3 inch exhaust"

After you get the results you will see posts that relate to 3 inch exhausts - What you have to consider is that the poster may not have put in Nissan Patrol they may have put their model only.

"nissan patrol 3 inch exhaust" - If I put that in all I get is your post :-)

Its all about learning how to search properly

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 16:00

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 16:00
To Heather G If you have a Telstra USB dongle welcome to the club.

I had 3 replaced under warranty and still no good Got my money back off Telstra and bought Maxon Bp3-EXT home modem and had no more trouble.

These connect better than most phones and can have an external aeriail as well.
They can be made to run off 12 volt as well as they have a 240-12 stepdown on them.

Mine is away on its second trip around the country with some friends who havent had any probs with it either.


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Reply By: Ayita5 - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 08:52

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 08:52
As a new member to this site, I'd just like to put in my two cents (and also as one who has recently posted a 'sat phone or hf?' question). :)

I'm just going to summarise my experience, my point being that a lot of question askers are probably in the same boat. After visiting this site for a few weeks, I can now see how a lot of members are on here a fair bit, contributing helpfully to most questions. So I guess you end up seeing the same questions over and over. However, for the person asking the question, everything is new to them and, in my case anyway, I never knew anything about hf or sat phones before. I did google, and even searched this forum (a lot of times when you google this stuff, exploroz forum is the first thing that comes up anyway) but, as others have pointed out, this is not always easy. Searching a term like hf brings up LOADS of threads, and a lot of them are not relevant. Someone may have mentioned hf in a response to a completely different question. When reading the irrelevant threads for a while, you eventually just post your question in the hope that some patient people will respond, even though they've said it a thousand times before.

Also, in my case, by the time I had searched and then posted my question, someone else had posted almost the exact same question a few threads down!! How embarrassing! But it hadn't been there when I started and so I had no idea. I'm sure it was frustrating for those who took the time to answer one of us (or even both of us) that we'd both asked pretty much the same thing on the same day.

One more point is that often it's not that people are asking for 'google' type answers, or for you to make their decisions, but for your OPINION. People like you, who have been doing this for years, are invaluable to people like me, who are just beginning. Your opinion counts, far more than some standard information on a site about hf radio, because you've been there and done that. You can tell me information that can only be told by people who have real life experience.

Last of all (sorry, this response has become longer than I intended), I cannot wait for the day that I've been travelling Australia for several years and I can log onto this site and see a question by some 'newbie', asking for advice on something that I am actually privileged enough to know all about. I'll feel so lucky to be in a position to be able to help them, knowing that the reason I can help them is because I've had all these experiences.

Now, I know that still, some people ask silly questions that they should google first, but this is just my story that I wanted to share because I'm sure many of the offending 'askers' are in the same boat.

And, I'll use this opportunity to say thank you very much to everyone here for your invaluable opinions, both in responses to my questions and to other questions I have found useful.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:06

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:06
Well said and spot on.

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Follow Up By: fugwurgin - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:38

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:38
yes well said.

i have had a few experiences myself with grumpy people not liking my post because the answer to them seemed simple or i wished to do something that they wouldnt do therfore i was wrong etc etc.
if you dont like a question ignore it, if you feel that you canhelp and have time to reply than no doubt 99% of the time your response will be greatly appreciated.

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Follow Up By: Flynnie - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:51

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:51
Agree

I usually Google search first but with practise the Exploroz search function can be useful. For example I did some recent research on tyres and found if I searched on a very narrow phrase I could get mainly relevant posts come up on the search. "bfg" "toyo" "694" were tried with good results. I also limited the search to the last 2 years threads. There are ways of getting the search function to work to advantage.

Looking up the older posts could well be difficult for the beginner. It was for me. I have become better at it and have noticed the same people who gave an answer last year or the year before now give a somewhat different answer to a similar question. Age, wisdom, experience and changed priorities lead to changes in peoples opinions that they themselves may not even be aware of. We do change over time.

There is a minor issue with the archiving of threads after you have asked a question and got some answers. I like to give some feedback on how I followed up on that advice but have to be quick or thread will be archived. I am sure this happens to others as well so some threads are left a bit "up in the air". Question asked, advice given but how did it turn out?

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Reply By: Mark S (cns) - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:31

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:31
Well, after reading this thread, the underlying message is 'it's just you' (and a few other regulars) that have had a bad day!
Gee's - is it really an issue? Surely it's not worth bleating about on a public worldwide accessable forum (yes, public, not an exclusive members chat room ).

cheers mark (my real name)
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 15:59

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 15:59
Cheers Mark,

at least I got an interesting Thread up and running for a couple of days, and that's the main thing.

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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 13:59

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 13:59
Mark - I agree :-)

Hope all is well, the Simpson was very wet :-)

Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Mark S (cns) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 15:27

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 15:27
Hi Tony

Wet in the simpson - good stuff!!

A bit wet down here today too!!
Hopefully the Daintree is getting some, so the Creb isn't a dustbowl when council decide to open it up....

Cheers
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Reply By: Ozymacca - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 15:59

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 15:59
Hi gone bush again,

Lets try narrow the search down lets just type " EXHAUST" search function. Give that a try, Either I'm doing something wrong and you can point me in the right direction but whole a lot of threads come up with nothing to do with exhausts. May be I'm just having a bad day every time I try to research a product I would like to buy or try, Or just ask for advice or help , That I know nothing about & hoping to find out from the experienced people like you on this forum that have heaps of knowledge they would like to share. The people that have been there done that. If I can help one person to me thats a bonus & I will & I don't mind writing a reply to the same question over & over again If I know something about what they are asking that might help them.

Cheers Macca
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 14:01

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 14:01
Macca - You have to learn how to search - There is a lot of tricks to learn - I have not bothered but it works if you take the effort

Put the following in and try again

"3 inch exhaust"

After you get the results you will see posts that relate to 3 inch exhausts - What you have to consider is that the poster may not have put in Nissan Patrol they may have put their model only.

"nissan patrol 3 inch exhaust" - If I put that in all I get is your post :-)

Its all about learning how to search properly
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Reply By: Member - Geoff H (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 16:32

Saturday, Aug 28, 2010 at 16:32
Hi Gone Bush,

No use getting cranky.

I enjoy the forum. I read the posts that interest me and if I can help someone I do.

If it's been asked recently I move on and don't give myself a heart attack because some poor bloke can't use the search button.


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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 09:13

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 09:13
Well, I must be a silly bugger...I use the forum as a research tool. Thought that was what it was for. Certainly a wealth of knowledge here. Sure ,I google & all
that stuff, but often the best advice is on here anyway. I can easily avoid any
posts or queries on which I have no interest or knowledge. I cant make the
"search" thing on this forum work anyway..........oldbaz.
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Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:30

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:30
Yes GB....it's just you...like the rest of us you are just old and cranky...and you need to take your medicine......I recommend two months of just touring your favourite destination, relaxing,and enjoying the scenery with a nice drink of your choice.

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:46

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:46
Good advice Doc,

I can't fit in the touring part of your prescription til next year but I'll start the drinking part straight away.

cheers (hic).....

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Reply By: OzTroopy - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:36

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:36
Well heres a different slant on it ... that will probably upset a few ......

There are those who know where they are going, have an indication of the travel conditions and have bought vehicles and equipment suitable for their needs and applications.

.... and need info on some specifics.

Then there are those looking for the best choices when starting out on a travelling / camping lifestyle.

.... and are looking for experiences from those who have been there and done that.

Then there are those who are making the most of a society, over supplied with products .... Who have bought / are buying, a heap of stuff .... and then have to find a use for it and how it works ....

.... and need spoonfeeding and handholding to live the dream that is shoved in their faces with over the top advertising - that they probably wouldnt have normally bothered with.

I try to ignore the last group as they remind me of an accountant mate who is flatout connecting an air hose to a compressor ..... but has purchased enough tools he will never use or be able to use .... to stock a mercedes benz dealership workshop ..... just because he can ....
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 13:12

Sunday, Aug 29, 2010 at 13:12
"I try to ignore the last group as they remind me of an accountant mate who...."



YES.....I too have seen these people and I'm often amused about their collection of "necessary things and gizmo's"
and you are right, it is usually because they can.......

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