Mazda BT50 Alternator issues
Submitted: Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 12:45
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Bluespot
Hi,
I'm having some issues with the alternator charging the battery whilst idling.
Running a lot of equipment however the alternator keeps dropping out and not providing the required current.
alt is rated at 80 amps and I have 70 amps of load.
tested with tong tester and the alt puts out 70+ for a while then drops to virtually nothing.
Dealer is telling me that the engines needs to be at min 1500 rpm to keep the charge going.
Tried to do this by holding down the throttle however the computer senses the vechile is not moving and reduces the throttle to an idle.
Any ideas on how to force the alt to keep the charge going at idle and whilst stationary.
kr
Bluespot
Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 12:53
Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 12:53
Bluespot,
How sure are you of the "70 amps of load" ??
I only ask as it sounds like an unrealistic number by general use, unless you are running a washing machine, caravan air-conditioner and a clothes drier etc
A 3way fridge would be ~16 Amps and that is considered big.
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Bluespot - Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 18:32
Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 18:32
I agree the load is unusally large however I have to run 4 x 55 watt rotating beacons, 4 x spotties (HID) lightforce, normal
driving lights plus usual Aircon cond, radio 2 x two ways and external loud speaker etc. (At times I'm required to sit stationary for up to 15mins) thus the idling/low charge issues. A second battery is fiited, both batters are high quality of N70zz size.
The tong tester was a fluke Ac/Dc true rms (not that that matters in dc) and it was recently calibrated.
We have fitted 2 x new alternator under warrentry and the dealer has given up, he cannot work out how to make it suit my needs.
We have considered fitting different pulleys to speed up Alternator but not ready to make that leap just yet.
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Reply By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 12:57
Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 12:57
Hi Bluespot,
the designers of the alternator/regulator/ECU made it work that way for a reason.
If you force the alternator to produce a high current while it spins at a low revs, then it'll overheat and destroy itself.
See, alternators only have an efficiency of around 50 to 70%. So drawing current of 70 amps, that's already 500 Watts of heat generatred inside the alternator. And if the revs aren't there to shove that amount of heat out of it - the diodes get cooked pretty soon...
cheers, Peter
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 13:21
Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 13:21
Many modern alternators while they are of quite high output capacity cannot sustain it indefinately due to heat generated and the ability of the components to withstand the heat and current supply.
As you have found the vehicle is capable of the stated output but only under certain parameters. The need for the engine to be over 1500 rpm is pretty normal, it obviously needs to be moving to provide the airflow to keep the alternator cool hence the engine management is doing the right thing to stop the alternator having a meltdown.
Very few vehicles would be able to maintain the full output of the alternator for any length of time.
What you have found is just
the tip of the iceberg with vehicles in general, while they are rated to tow and carry loads, climb gradients, etc etc it is never "continuous duty" which is why vehicle wear out prematurely sometimes when subjected to loads and use that they supposedly can handle.
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 16:50
Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 16:50
Why would you need such a high amperage?
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 23:02
Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 23:02
Friend of
mine has a Ford
Ranger / Mazda BT50 as
well as his son, and both had the issue with the alternator not charging enough. Lucky he is an electrician and traced it to the tiny and pathetic battery terminal connectors not allowing enough current to pass through.
They changed the terminals over to some decent ones and no more problems.
David
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Reply By: Stu-e - Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 23:29
Thursday, Sep 02, 2010 at 23:29
hi
agree with the battery value guy, the ecm or alternator regulator will protect it from self destructing. and yes they do need rpm to work efficently and get enough air through to keep cool.
to check your wiring simply place a voltmeter across the battery terminals note the voltage there, then do the same from the alternator casing to the output stud, these readings should be within .3 volts of each other depending on how much the alternator is putting out. this will eliminate any wiring fault.
other than that your stuck with it.
other options include
you could fit a second alternator,
or a voltage sensitive relay to the second battery so your cranking battery doesnt drop too low.
weigh up the costs carefully against fitting more efficent lighting ie LED's you can get beacons and led lighting (assuming your a pilot vehicle) but stick to hella and narva for beacons etc as there is alot of crap out there
cheers stu
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