Nissan X-Trail for towing and offroading - thoughts?

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I'm weighing up whether to upgrade to a Nissan X-Trail. Ideally, something in the current look/release, but a couple of years old (2008 model?).

It's going to pull a yet to be purchased caravan that needs to sleep 2 adults and 2 kiddies. The Windsor Rapids have caught my eye as there are several within the 1500-1800kg ATM range and 3 of these with towball weights under 112kg.

So, what do you think of this choice? And how does the current model X Trail go offroad? Would it get through Fraser Island?

Also, I read somewhere about the reduced towing capacity of the diesel variant part way through the current release. Does anyone have any details about this?
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Reply By: Madfisher - Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 20:02

Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 20:02
My mate at work brought an xtrail to tow his van whichs weighs arround 1.5 ton. He is now very disappionted as his research on the caravan forum indicates the chasis is to light to tow this weight, so he now uses his falcon ute. For the weight you want to tow you are sending a boy on a mans job.
Paj or prado would be much better.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Recycled Teenagers - Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 20:28

Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 20:28
We have a X-Trail for 2 yrs now and found it to be a good tow vehicle and off Rd. Although we had a Nissan Patrol Diesel prior, we also had a bigger van
to tow but the cost of running the Patrol was quite a bit out of our budget and did'nt do the amount of holidays as we wanted. So we down sized to a 17ft single axle pop top van and to the X- Trail. We been to SA and done all the coast line and onto VIC and done the coast line and back home to WA. I kept a log every day of mileage and cost. 10,000 klms we used $1,600 for fuel which included the gennie. We average 12.5lts to 100 k's. We are now planning to go to QLD. NO Problems with towing off Rd touring, fishing etc. We no its not as strong or capable as the Nissan Patrol but does every thing we want it to.2005 model series 2
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Follow Up By: garbage - Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 21:31

Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 21:31
Thanks for the tips - I also was considering an older Patrol, but the wife is keen on a newer X-Trail.

What caravan do you tow and what is the ATM / towball weight?
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Follow Up By: Recycled Teenagers - Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 23:02

Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 23:02
17ft Coromal, the toe ball weight is about 110/120kg at most and I have a manual 5 speed. Only used 5th gear on a good straight run with no head wind or when we had a tail wind. Pulled the van really well up through the Great Ocean Rd, Alpine Country and Adelaide Hills. Took our time but mindfull of other road users.
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Reply By: bockstar1 - Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 21:42

Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 21:42
If you go with the XTrail, I'd seriously consider getting an additional transmission cooler installed.

Ta.
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Reply By: Nutta - Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 22:27

Monday, Sep 06, 2010 at 22:27
I think fraser could be a bit of a struggle for an all wheeler.
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Reply By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:29

Tuesday, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:29
It all depends on you definition of "off road".

Seriously Rav 4, X-Trail and the likes should not be refereed as a 4x4.

The use of 4x4 should only be used if the vehicle has low range.

We had this conversation with two old ladies on the weekend about their X-Trail, where we were we had big rains and the roads became closed, we had to get out so we obtained permission to travel on the closed road, the ladies wanted to follow and got advised by the workers on the property that they would only allow us out as we had a true 4x4........there reply was Oh but ours is a proper 4x4.

There are many people happy with the X-Trail and do go off road.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Tuesday, Sep 07, 2010 at 14:38

Tuesday, Sep 07, 2010 at 14:38
My Forester manual has low range but couldn't be called a proper 4x4.

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That aside the X-trail can do some off road. Prob the Suzuki Grand Vitara is better acc to the published tests.

But serious tow vehicles?
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Reply By: Wilko - Tuesday, Sep 07, 2010 at 20:10

Tuesday, Sep 07, 2010 at 20:10
A mate has taken one over the Simpson(not something I'd do or recommend) but it made it with numerous drags..

I think its not bad and has its place. I don't think its a real 4x4 but is a good softroader.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Member - Jo Q (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2010 at 09:16

Wednesday, Sep 08, 2010 at 09:16
Hi :)

I have an '08 Nissan X-trail and find it a great vehicle. I do however only tow a camper trailer (see profile pic), but have had no problems with it's towing capacity.

As for off road, I have driven it on the beach - without trailer - and it was fine. When I was up at Inskip in QLD, I opted for a day tour of Fraser Island as opposed to taking the x-trail over. I think you would be fine on & off the barges and along the beach, but once you got inland and towards Lake McKenzie the x-trail would struggle. Unfortunately there is not a great deal of clearance on them.

The xtrail suits my needs as there is only me & my 7 year old daughter so even if I had a you beaut 4WD I would be reluctant to tackle serious 4WDing with only a 7 year old for help! I guess it depends on your budget and own expectations of where you plan to drive it?

Good luck ......

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Follow Up By: garbage - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2010 at 10:47

Wednesday, Sep 08, 2010 at 10:47
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I'm really struggling with the choice of tow vehicle. On the one hand, I'd like to go to Fraser Island and Rainbow Beach. I have been to the Fraser coast twice without a suitable vehicle and have been turned off by the cost of the tours once you factor in the cost for a family of 4. I've also found that everytime we leave NSW, we find dirt tracks all over the place and end up not going as we currently have a Subaru Liberty. On the other hand, my wife isn't keen on a Patrol-sized vehicle for day to day stuff.
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Reply By: WATTS2C - Wednesday, Sep 08, 2010 at 14:22

Wednesday, Sep 08, 2010 at 14:22
I read a review on a few soft roaders last year - may have been in the Courier Mail or RACQ mag.

From what I remember, the X Trail rated best out of the lot for off-road. Mind you they weren't towing caravans...

As far as caravans go, if you're looking for a lightweight off road caravan have you seen the Free Spirit - awesome caravan yet light as well.

lightweight off road caravan
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Reply By: dereki - Thursday, Sep 09, 2010 at 08:17

Thursday, Sep 09, 2010 at 08:17
My 2c

Don't do what I did... get a soft roader thinking it would do what I wanted then get dissapointed and get another car later. It just costs more to do it that way.

I did not do much research, My bad...

I bought a soft roader thinking it would be great for camping out of and going places... 18 months later, I bought a prado. Sure the soft roader worked, but not that well for me. What happened was with the extra feeling of freedom I got I then wanted to go further, and soon found that the softy wasn't up to my NEW aspirations. I guess I got the off road bug a bit...

More specific issues with the older model Rav4 I had. (x-trail is supposed to be a bit better)

Tthe tracks/sand gets ruts in them, and the depth of the ruts is usually (in sand at least) the depth of a standard full size 4wd, so the lower soft roaders drag the belly and can get stuck. I currently have a prado which I am going to get a lift kit for because I occasionally drag the bell.

If you plan on doing off road tracks in the bush check the under body protection... the soft roaders have the engine low down, with plastic covers and things like the exhaust and sump right out the front in harms way. The full size 4wd's are constructed differently, engine up high, with the front axle under the engine and steel underboby guards etc. Check the suspension design as well... much more able to withstand a hit from a rock or something on a track. All this means is you have to be extra careful.

I was doing a track recently and over a crest there was a rock I did not see the front landed on. Bent the under body guard on the Prado. The old softy would have landed on the sump...


Good luck with your choice.

D


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Follow Up By: garbage - Thursday, Sep 09, 2010 at 09:46

Thursday, Sep 09, 2010 at 09:46
Thanks, this is really good info! What sort of places are we talking about where the underbody of a soft roader is likely to drag?
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Follow Up By: dereki - Thursday, Sep 09, 2010 at 11:13

Thursday, Sep 09, 2010 at 11:13
Basically on sand, any of the inland tracks and quite often the cuttings onto the beach. Dragging isn't a big problem unless the centre is packed and you loose traction.

I have scraped the belly on basic forestry and national parks tracks here around Brisbane as well. It never stopped me however, it made the day less enjoyable and I chose not go some places that I am happy to do now.

Thinking about it a bit more, I guess what I have found is that the tracks are set up for the bigger 4wd's not by design but because that is what usually traverses them so that is what the ruts and water drain humps etc. fit.

The only other issue I can see is recovery points. Some people are pedantic about using only after market "Rated" recovery points to snatch/winch off. These sorts of accessories are generally not available for the soft roaders so you might find some people are reluctant to help. Also most 4wd clubs require rated recovery points to participate in club activities.

You will feel a bit left out too... in the Rav I stuck out like a sore thumb. I was always the only soft roader anywhere I went, and felt like people were thinking... what are you doing in that thing in here, your gonna get stuck and expect us to help arn't you.

Just think about what your use is going to be... carefully. If your thinking about doing some 4wding, maybe see if a 4wd club will let you tag along in a rental 4wd or something to see if its what you really want to do.

Don't forget running cost... the big 4wd cost more to keep... Your paying every week for fuel to move a 2 ton light truck... Tyres, $300+ each on modern 4wd's with 17inch wheels. Everything is more heavy duty so more expensive to work on and get parts for.

This is the trade off.

BTW, My brother has a x-trail, it does everything he asks of it, no problems. He also took a forester all over fraser without any issues.


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