Window tinting (Vic) - car & caravan legalities

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Hi everyone, I have a couple of questions about window tinting that I'm having trouble finding answers to, so I'm seeking either precedents or consensus.

First, on the car, is it actually illegal to get dark tints on the rear and rear side windows?! I see a lot of 4WDs with lighter (presumably legal) front windows and darker (possibly illegal) tints elsewhere. My understanding is that the regulations use the phrase 'windows which are available to the driver for a view of the road' - which would seem to include the rear and rear side windows if you have them, apparently making it legal to completely obscure these windows (eg a truck or food van) but not to tint them beyond the legal limit. Obviously the good cops would probably apply intelligence here, but the angry/overzealous ones and insurance companies might not.

Secondly, I recently enquired about getting a mirror tint for the caravan and was told it would be illegal (dazzling hazard). This seems bizarre as the entire caravan is polished aluminium, and there are no shortage of polished milk tankers etc getting around. I understand that mirror tints are 'highly' illegal (ie, instant sticker) on a vehicle, but would it extend to a caravan - and if not, why not?!
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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 16:54

Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 16:54
Many years ago I had need to ask this same question from an RTA vehicle inspector here in NSW.
His comments were as follows;

1 the grade of tint is covered by law and cannot be darker than a certain grade as it obscures night time vision.

2 the tint cannot be reflective as it has the potential to blind other motorists in certain circumstances.

3 the windscreen cannot be tinted.
I would assume unless it is tinted during the manufacturer of the glass screen. Meaning the manufacturer would be bound by the regulations covering windscreen tinting grades. I say this as it is obvious that some windscreens do have a slight tint.

Sort of common sense really. But then you see some vehicles with a very dark tint in the side and back windows which makes me wonder how they got away with it.

As I say this was many years ago and the regs may have moved on by now.

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Reply By: Member - John - Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 16:54

Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 16:54
Car tinting, can go as dark as you like except for the front windows, as long as you have exterior mirrors on both sides. Caravan, know idea.
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Reply By: SDG - Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 17:42

Monday, Sep 20, 2010 at 17:42
I was at at tinting joint two weeks ago. He commented that windows behind the drivers door can be as dark as you want. He showed me his paper work off RTA to verify this. Apparently going by this after joking with him, he commented that there was nothing to stop me painting the windows black.

Reflecting material is a no no anywhere. While tankers are polished, they are not generally reflective. Even a polished alluminium caravan is not reflective, (maybe when first washed, but ten minutes on the road would fix that)

My brother was often pulled up while driving his truck because he had his front bumper polished almost to a mirror finish. Kept reflecting headlights.
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Reply By: landed eagle - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 07:23

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 07:23
You'll find that all glazing trucks are required by law to carry sheet mirror with the shiny side facing in. Reflective tint on clear glass causes the same amount of reflection.Very dangerous
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 08:22

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 08:22
Ask a window tinter They know how dark it can be

I have the back doors and rear windows really dark to keep inquisitive eyes from viewing goodies.
Cargo barriers keep them out of the rear


The two front doors ar a lighter legal tint.


Windscreens may only be tinted to the top of the arc of the wipers or 100mm whichever is the lesser.
Remember that vans are not really very bright inside and tinting will make them really dark.
Most van windows are already tinted to a degree anyway


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Reply By: wortgames - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 08:45

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 08:45
Thanks for the responses everyone.

Regarding the car tint, I understand that 'generally' rear windows aren't scrutinised - for example, there was a 'blitz' in Melbourne recently on illegal tints and the news report made it quite clear they were only testing the front windows. It's frustrating that the regulations themselves leave so much weasel room though.

As for the mirror tint, I have to confess I'm struggling to get a handle on the problem. Aren't there a bunch of different grades? Is any amount of reflectivity illegal, or just the full-blown mirror effect? I'm leaning towards a blackish-silver tint rather than an all-out silver, but I do want some reflection - not just because it will look good but for improved privacy in a van with glass all round.

I'm sure that legal problems are unlikely but I'm trying to keep everything above board.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:53

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:53
As i said ASK THE WINDOW TINTER He knows whats legal

What you get here are opinions and not necessarily correct within the law.


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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:55

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:55
Otherwise ring the RTA in your state and get the correct information.
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Follow Up By: wortgames - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:11

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:11
Hi Graham, thanks for youir help but the advice I get from tinters depends entirely on how gungho/conservative they are.

Vicroads are lovely people but they've never yet given me a straight answer on anything.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:17

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:17
There are standards and my tinter in Qld said it must let a certain % of the light through I believe its 85% but could be wrong

Last try ask a copper who deals with hoons They carry light meters to test the tints on car windows.
Hopefully they will know the rules.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:23

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:23
This was found after a 30sec read of Vic Roads site

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/A4CCADAA-27D3-4EB6-8AE2-17F69F9DAE78/0/VSI2web.pdf


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Follow Up By: wortgames - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 14:45

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 14:45
Thanks Graham, that's the document I referred to in my initial post, and the cause of the confusion.

Quote:

All windows of a motor vehicle, other than windscreens, available to the driver to obtain a view of the road or other road users must have a light transmittance of at least 35%. However it is desirable that the light transmittance of windows to the side and ahead of the driver is not reduced below 70%.


The questions are, how enforceable is 'desirable', and what constitutes an 'available' window?

For example, could removing the toolbox from a ute render it unroadworthy if it exposes a rear window that is tinted too dark?!
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:17

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:17
Well my tinter said and did the following

The two front doors have the 30% tint leaving a transmittance of 70%

If you have external mirrors which you look at through the front windows ALL the other windows can be darker and have a transmittance of the 35%.

Darker tint on drivers door is crazy as you then cant see properly at night.

I couldnt see out of my rear window due to loads in the back anyway.

If the ute has external mirrors it wont matter if you blank off the rear window as in having a solid canopy on the back.

Buses have solid backs and are legal with side mirrors as are semis etc.

Reflective tint is a no no

Logical thinking is required.

Dont try to buck the above and you wont have any trouble

As for the van if it already has the grey plastic windows I wouldnt waste my money

If its an old van with glass sliders Maybe, if you like living in the dark.



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Reply By: Ianw - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 20:26

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 20:26
From Part 5 of Victorian Vehicle Standards

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44 Window tinting
(1) Glazing used in a windscreen of a motor vehicle
must have a luminous transmittance of at least—
(a) for a motor vehicle built after 1971, 75%; or
(b) in any other case, 70%.
(2) Windscreen glazing of a motor vehicle must not
be coated in a way that reduces its luminous
transmittance.
(3) Subclauses (1) and (2) do not apply to the area of
a windscreen that is—
(a) above the highest point of the windscreen in
front of the driver's seating position swept by
the windscreen wiper; or
(b) the top 10% of the windscreen as measured
in front of the driver's seating position; or
(c) above a horizontal line 200 millimetres
above the level of the driver's eyes.
(4) Glazing used in a window or interior partition of a
motor vehicle must have a luminous transmittance
of at least 70%.
(5) Glazing behind the rear of the driver's seat or in a
side window forward of the rear of the driver's
seat may be coated to achieve a luminous
transmittance of not less than 35%.
Sch. 2
Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2009
S.R. No. 118/2009
247
(6) Glazing that has been coated to reduce its
luminous transmittance must not have a
reflectance of over 10%.
(7) The luminous transmittance requirements in
subclause (5) apply to a vehicle instead of the
corresponding requirements in the relevant ADR.
(8) In this clause—
glazing means any transparent material or
combination of transparent materials fitted to
a vehicle and available to the driver to obtain
a view of the road and other road users;
luminous transmittance, for glazing, means the
amount of light that can pass through the
glazing as a percentage of the amount of
light that would be transmitted if the glazing
were absent.


So NO painting black (Must have 35% or more light transmittance)
and No mirror tinting ( 6 Glazing that has been coated to reduce its
luminous transmittance must not have a
reflectance of over 10%.

Caravans would be OK i guess as Quote

glazing means any transparent material or
combination of transparent materials fitted to
a vehicle and available to the driver to obtain
a view of the road and other road users;



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Follow Up By: Ianw - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 20:31

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 20:31
For your info and follow up.

Goto Part 5 para 44 "Window Tinting"


http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/Domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/LTObject_Store/LTObjSt5.nsf/DDE300B846EED9C7CA257616000A3571/FB1208F39F2B1295CA257782001CE282/$FILE/09-118sr004.pdf

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Follow Up By: Ianw - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 20:32

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 20:32
Damn thing dont work that way !!! Try this

window tinting

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Follow Up By: Ianw - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 20:36

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 20:36
Goto Part 5 para 44 "Window Tinting"

Of "Schedules" (near bottom of Doc )

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 21:19

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 21:19
Same as what I said in previous follow up basically Ay.


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Follow Up By: Ianw - Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 22:52

Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 22:52
Yep, almost, but some people like to see it in official writing before they commit themselves. Fair enough, too. I certainly wouldnt call a post on a forum as gospel truth, but a referral to the official website wot quotes the real "rules" is often very helpful.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:37

Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:37
Yes I agree and said that early on in the thread.

For legalities there is little point asking for opinions.

Best to Google the relevant authority and get the correct factual information.

Its all there, just a matter of finding it as you did.

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Reply By: hunty01 - Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 00:08

Friday, Sep 24, 2010 at 00:08
Gday

I own a window tinting shop in Adelaide.

No window tinting on a motor vehicle should not exceed 35%VLT (Visual Light Transmittance) on any side or rear window except in NT where they can have 35%VLT on front doors and 15%VLT on the rear section of a vehicle. Front windsreens are a no no!! except for visor strips which should not go further down than the arc of the windscreen wiper or 10% of the total depth of the glass. Cars eg Toyota, Subaru Mitsubishi and a few other makes that are imported can have a factory glass which is also known as privacy glass has a VLT of 20%. There are talk of getting this matter sorted out.

If you exceed the limit of 35%VLT you can be defected (unroadworthy) and your insurance company may not cover you as its an illegal modification.

I've tinted caravans before and have never put on reflective due to the reflection. If its glass it will be no probs tinting but if they are plastic it may have a reaction with the plastic and may cause it to bubble.

Hope this helps.

Hunty
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