micowave & inverter
Submitted: Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 09:28
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taswegian
G'day All,
I'am obout to fit a 800w output power microwave oven in a c/van to be powered by a 12v--240v modified sinewave unit. Can anybody help with the following info please.
1. Can you run a microwave on a modified sinewave inverter with success ?
2.What size inverter would be required to run a 800w output power m/w oven.
Thank you & Cheers,
Taswegian.
Reply By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 09:39
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 09:39
G'day
1 - Not sure - someone else can answer that one .
2 - Has to be big enough to cover the initial high current draw from the Microwave - check the spec sheet - possibly 2 - 3 times the power rating !!
Cheers
Steve
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Reply By: Notso - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:00
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:00
The input rating is what you need to know.
This should be on a plate somewhere on the Microwave. It will probably give the Amps draw. Multiply that by 240 and you'll have watts.
A lot of the microwaves draw in excess of 1200 watts even though their output is 750 or 800.
This site says it is OK to run a microwave with a modified sine wave inverter.
Inverter info
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Reply By: Honky - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:17
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:17
Thats going to be a big and expensive inverter.
Honky
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Reply By: anglepole - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:29
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:29
You will need between 80 and 90 amps to run this appliance. To put it in perspective, about the equivalent of a 4X4 starter motor.
So you will require a very big battery and big wiring (and only a short distance from the battery) to run this.
Cheers
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:17
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:17
Hi
As others have said ,microwave current demand can be very high[80+++amps]
You would need very heavy cables from batteries to the inverter
The 12v cable run would need to very short
The load on the batteries if using max power would be very high
Deep cycle batteries do not take kindly to high current use [shorten life}
You would need something like 500 amp hrs+++battery capacity.
3hrs of use @ max output would take the battery bank down the max recommended state of discharge.
How do you intend to recharge?
Any form of heating from
battery power is not very practical.!
Peter
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:23
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:23
Hi
The satisfactory safe running from a MSW inverter depends on both the micro wave & the inverter
I would suggest you ask that question of the suppliers of each & ask for a written guarantee,I doubt you will get one.!!
The electronics of the Microwave can be seriously affected by other than PSW output
Peter
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:36
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:36
Hi Taswegian
You can but there will be a couple of drawbacks because of the shape of the driving voltage.
The unit will put out around 600 watts and it will sound noisier than standard and may vibrate annoyingly.
A 1500w unit is required (cheap) - but if u use a sinewave inverter (expensive)you will only need 1200w and won't have the other issues.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:49
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:49
I run a similar microwave off a 1500w Pure Sinewave inverter in a boat. I have the engines running when I start the Microwave and then turn them off, works fine. My inverter is a quality marine job, however it is rated at 1500 watts. The cables to and from the inverter are identical to the thick variety you see on quality jumper leads. I presume the Microwave is already in the van.? My microwave is a small one and is not an oven, I think the rated power consumption is around 700w.
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Reply By: Member - Trouper (NSW) - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:42
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:42
Taswegian,
From memory there is a 12 v microvave oven available from the '12 volt
shop' at Parramatta Road Auiburn NSW phone 02 9748 1199.
Specs I'm unsure of but worth a call. Asfar as power consumption is concerned you would only run it for a minute or two too heatup something wouldn't you??
Regards.................................jeff
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 09:30
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 09:30
I've looked at those 12v Microwaves but I believe they are very expensive compared to a normal microwave..?
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Follow Up By: Member - Trouper (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 18:37
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 18:37
I agree they are expensive but that maybe better than worrying about fat cables,cable length, expensive
inverters, big batteries and trying to recharge them.
cheers............................jeff
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Reply By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 14:04
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 14:04
I agree largely with what's been said already.
....a very big battery....
Not necessarily.
Considering conversion loss, wire loss, power factor, and possibly additional losses caused by the non sinusoidal waveform, a 100A current draw could be expected.
Inrush current, depending on type of microwave could be double this figure.
But
inverters have a burst rating, which may or may not allow for this.
I'm guessing, but a 1500W continuous duty inverter should have you covered.
Your average 100Ah AGM battery can supply 100A for about 33 minutes.
So you'd be looking at recharging this battery after ~26 minutes of microwaving (based on 80% DOD).
Note that the inverter needs to function down to an input voltage of 9.5V for this (this includes 0.5V drop in the wires).
If the inverter undervolts earlier, you won't be able to discharge the battery below 70% or so.
In this case you can expect your battery to last for ~23 minutes of microwaving.
cheers, Peter
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 14:26
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 14:26
Hi Peter
I think you should emphasise that your comment "Your average 100Ah AGM battery can supply 100A for about 33 minutes. "
Does only apply" AGM BATTERY"
Standard 100 amp hr wet cell deep cycle available amp hr output would be no where near 30mins @ 100amp discharge rate
Life would also be very short.
Peter
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 14:39
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 14:39
Peter,
another good way to separate the wheat from the chaff I guess....;)
cheers, Peter
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 17:08
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 17:08
Battery Value Pty Ltd posted:
Peter,
another good way to separate the wheat from the chaff I guess....;) end quote
Hi Peter
Now where have I heard that before?
Yes,have to agree that is about the difference.
Peter
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Reply By: Evakool - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 16:40
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 16:40
Here is another possibility
Ebay page for portable microwave
Looks like it would work okay on low power, just be careful on high power setting.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 20:21
Friday, Oct 29, 2010 at 20:21
Why dont youo run it off a small genny? I reckon that would make more sense, not involve such high amps and LARGE cables and you'd only need run the genny whilst the MW was running and that couldnt be more than 20 mins or so a day I would say?
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Follow Up By: taswegian - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 08:53
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 08:53
Thank you all for your advice & suggestions, this
forum has given me some directions to follow .
Many thanks ,
Taswegian.
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Reply By: The White Ox - Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 16:40
Saturday, Oct 30, 2010 at 16:40
Get some sticks and some matches and build a fire. Heat/
cook your dinner on that. Or alternatively throw the microwave onto the fire and watch it burn. Its very funny.
Seriously tho, the above posts are correct i.e. microwaves typically draw around twice their rated output. Thus an 800 microwave draws about 1600w. You would need an inverter at least this big. Taking into account puekerts law, invertor losses (about 10%) etc. your microwave could see a 100 A/H battery depleted in less than twenty minutes.
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