Standard 80 Series with 3F petrol/gas - OK?
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 04, 2003 at 21:39
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Mark
I'm in the market for a family 4x4 wagon to replace my Series 2A landrover which while it has a certain charm doesnt have the level of safety and on-road (or off road) comfort for my growing family. I was primarily seeking a 4.2 Diesel GQ Patrol but came accross a 1991 80 series petrol Standard Wagon with 225000 km for $14,500. Its a private sale, one lady owner for the last 5 years. Its a 3F petrol with an lpg conversion. Until I saw this vehicle, I wasnt even aware that some Standards came with a petrol motor. Its definitly a Standard, Vinyl front bench
seat, rear
barn doors, part time 4WD, white paint, no flares, no tacho etc. I know the 3F has a reputation for being thirsty but the lady selling it says she gets about 300km from the 70 litre lpg tank which considering the price of gas (39 cpl) would be slightly better or about the same as diesel economy. The lpg tank has replaced the main tank and the sub tank remains. It seems to drive
well, (similar torque to the patrol/cruiser diesels but better pickup) and I cant see any rust. There's a slight whine in 5th gear under load and the change to second and third is notchy and requires a bit of effort on the lever, but I wouldnt describe it as a 'crunch'. It will be used primarily for beach work and towing my camper trailer and 14' tinny. I suspect the petrol will probably go better on
the beach than than a diesel? Some comments on whether this vehicle seems like good value would be appreciated. On my budget I'm restricted to high mileage diesels and I'm somewhat worried by the potential cost if something goes wrong with a diesel.
Reply By: mikeyandmary - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2003 at 23:13
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2003 at 23:13
Hi Mark,
I bought a 1985 troopy about 6 months ago with the 3F motor. We bought this because we wanted an old cheap 4x4 to see if we really liked offroad touring. WE LOVE IT!!! Love Exploroz too :-)
Well, I've been told by the wife that the next car we buy is another landcruiser, much younger and DIESEL.
ANYWAY... The 3F motor is simple and reliable. Yes, it is thirsty, and yes a diesel would be much better for towing and long distance travels. If you are looking landcruiser, look for a properly serviced engine and look VERY CAREFULLY for rust. High mileage diesel is not a problem is it has been cared for.
Have Fun...
Michael
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Reply By: mudgutz - Wednesday, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:25
Wednesday, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:25
hey hey eric and all the rest of you 3f knockers......i agree if he can get the 4.5 injected at the same money hes better off because of the 165 kw and about 405nm....
well gob loads of torque its got ...but i would argue that my 3f gets better economy than the 4.5 efi is it 1fe or 1fz.....all day........ive driven heaps of 4.5s from work and whilst they gozard tell me that you can get better than 19l/100km
even running empty on the highway at 100kms/hour and i will fall out of this chair laughing at you cause it just aint possible......my old 3f in a 75 got 16.5 l/100 km on my last run to
brisbane at 100km/hr with a light load on about 300kgs..i will admit you have to keep the 3f
well tuned and keep light pressure on the right foot to get good economy but it can be done..whereas with the 80/100s series 4.5.......i just couldnt do it no matter what i did......and i will still argue that an old 3f at 110kw.....is way better than the 70kw or so he will get from a 2h in a good 60 which he can afford.....wait till he gets on the highway with the 2h......he will hate it..at 14500 bucks he will be hard pressed to get an 80 with a 1hz which is still a slug my old 75 3f blows the doors off them.....i reckon all tojo diesels should just have a ripping big turbo standard.
my advice look for a 92 and onwards (thats when 4.5efi came in to them) 80 series auto.. perfect tow vehicle...hunt hard mate you will find one out there somewhere for your budget......mark if your worried about fuel economy buy a camry...........my friend theres no such thing as cheap motoring when you own a cruiser...
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Follow Up By: Member - Eric- Wednesday, Nov 05, 2003 at 23:12
Wednesday, Nov 05, 2003 at 23:12
The only problem i have with what you stated , is that most 4x4 trips are not done with a light load . On a recent trip we went on , a frind was towing a lighter boat than I was in his 4 litre cruiser. He used almost twice the fuel that I used , both cars have done similar kms and both are
well tuned . We had to slow down and wait for him at the top of most hills also. I understand that budget sometimes has a lot to do witht he choises we make. If I had to choose between a 4 L cruiser and a 4.2L Patrol . I would choose the patrol any day . In the choise between a 4.5 L cruiser and a 93 onwards Patrol , I would go the cruiser anyday.
Just my opinion anywayVenus Bay
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Nov 05, 2003 at 15:48
Wednesday, Nov 05, 2003 at 15:48
Gday
I bought one of these cruisers 3 months ago for 7.5k, with 1 month rego.
It was a GXL 5 speed. Also saw one like your looking at on ebay for 10k not that long ago.
The later 4.5 is the one to look for and i see examples for 16k getting round here (93 gxl 5 speed) They love gas and dont suffer from low power on gas.
The gas was notorious for burning valves in the 3f, and the power was down compared to the 4.5 aswell as having smaller brakes compared to the 4.5.
I suppose im saying beware, they are all good bodywise, the std petrol was deleted not long after it was introduced, and had no sub tank (in the rear) but only the main underneath.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Eric- Wednesday, Nov 05, 2003 at 23:18
Wednesday, Nov 05, 2003 at 23:18
Dozer to purchase a 3 l 80 series for 6 to 10 K , it would have to be over 300.000 kms or a dog . Most I see are around 9 to 14 k in a GXL and thats for something around 200,000 kms anyway . The Patrol i agree , you can find them as cheep as 7 k in good condition . In your coments on the 4.5 , you are correct , they are starting to come in at around 15 or 16 k , for around 230,000 km GXL's
cheers
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