Long neck tow ball.
Submitted: Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 08:04
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racinrob
My off road 'van is fitted with a Hyland coupling and I use a conventional type ball on my vehicle. Several blokes have said I should be using a long neck tow ball, is this right ?? There are no signs that it is touching on extreme articulation.
Rob.
Reply By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 08:23
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 08:23
Hi Rob,
I have a Kedron with a Hyland coupling. When I first took delivery of the van the lower (female) flange of the coupling was leaving a witness mark on the towbar goose neck. I addressed this problem buy grinding off 'dags' left on the lower flange from the casting process & also fitting a hardened washer between the towball & the gooseneck. All good now.
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Reply By: mattd - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 08:46
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 08:46
I believe it is advisable to use a tall tow ball with the hyland. I emailed the manufacture a while ago and he suggested it as there had been reports of wearing on both if you dont use a tall tow ball.
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Reply By: taswegian - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 09:15
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 09:15
G'day Racinrob,
I rang Hyland's obout this subject after reading of problems using the short ball, they recommend the tall type made by Arc, rated at 3500kg. I got one at Super cheap for a obout $12 .Remember to set the ball clearance in the coupling to reduce excess wear & movement.
Cheers, Tassie.
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Reply By: burnsy - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 09:17
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 09:17
I have the same coupling and it is designed to fit over the higher flange that is machined on the standard 3.5 t ball.
I think you'll find that if you go to the Highland website you will find that they will confirm this.
I too have noticed some wear on the hitch tongue from articulation and if you have a good look at it you can see that the designers intend for the hitch not to have oscillation at all with the only movement left and right.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 09:39
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 09:39
A much discussed topic here and there, for some time now - my van maker supplied the long neck ball (we have the Hyland 3500kg). If the coupling binds on the tow flange, you are in great danger of having the ball undo itself. This has happened to numerous users.
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Follow Up By: burnsy - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 15:38
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 15:38
Darian I too have a 3500kg hitch and use the tow ball that came with it which incidentally is the same height as my other 3.5t balls.
I cannot find "High Tow ball" and I am assuming that they are all the same height.
I have noticed that there is some wear on the tongue from the hitch which is a hayman reese weight distribution type.
Other forums also speak about
the nut coming loose, Have you personally had this problem?
According to Hyland the problem of undoing the ball nut is caused by over tightening the hitch play adjustment and not by the weight distribution hitch.
This is a new setup and only done about 1000km, so after reading your post raced out and checked the ball and yes it is still tight
I will keep an eye on it
Regards Mike
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:00
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:00
Yes re it coming loose - my towball was fitted at the factory - I witnessed it being done up very tight though with a huge shifter. I checked it after the first short trip and all was
well - later, on a longer trip I found it undone (early stage - not much play). I took it all off, cleaned and dried the lot, cranked it up very tight again, and it's been fine since. I use the HR 750 WD hitch too. If the Hyland is not entirely free of all snags in it's movement the upward pressure on the lower side of the ball will try to turn the ball - if enough accumulated turns take place in the CCW direction, that must induce it to undo. Anyway, that is just one of a number of vital hitch area factors that have to be monitored constantly - along with everything else on a trip.... it's hell :-o).
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Follow Up By: burnsy - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:40
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:40
Interesting.
Agree totally on your comment of being free of all lumps and burrs.
Remember it is the clamping force of the flange that gives it it's strength. If there is rubbish about it will reduce the clamping area.
Just looking at some torque tables and find that assuming that the steel is at least the equilivant of a grade 5 bolt unf it should be torqued up to about470ftlbs which is pretty tight for even a big shifter.
When I have finished my cuppa I will go down and
check my " ball torque."
regards Mike
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Reply By: racinrob - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 11:50
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 11:50
Thanks to all who responded, I will invest in a long neck even if just for peace of mind.
Rob.
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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:17
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:17
Why don't Hyland supply a ball with the coupling?
Other coupling manufacturers supply the tow bar component.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 18:28
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 18:28
I believe he used to..
Probably got sick of people asking "why should I pay extra for a ball when I already have one?" ;-)
The standard over-the-counter 3500kg ball (which has the longer "neck") is the correct configuration, and is what Hyland recommends...
I think you'll find that other coupling manufacturers have to supply the tow bar component, because it is specific to the particular coupling, and not a "standard" item..........
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:03
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:03
Judging by the regular threads asking what ball for a Hyland, I would suggest that it is not a "standard item".
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Reply By: Von Helga - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 21:23
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 21:23
racinrob
I thought it was tall tow balls 3500 KG and the shorter ones rated at a lower kg rate. I could say 2500 kg but that's a guess.
Trevor
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Follow Up By: racinrob - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 21:46
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 21:46
Trevor. I think it's more to do with clearance between the caravan coupling and gooseneck of the towbar when articulating rather than Kg rating.
Rob.
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