12 pin plugs V 7 pin
Submitted: Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 16:14
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Ian & Sue
Hi all
Question? I am thinking about having a 12 pin plug wired to the new Cruiser when they fit the wiring harness this week. Seems like a good idea BUT then I thought what about when I want to tow the trailer - searched for a suitable adapter on the net but it doesnt look like there are any. What do you have on your rigs?
Although we have a Coromal PC541 at the moment we are working on upgrading to the Kedron - not sure if this is relevant.
Cheers
Sue
asking on behalf of my hubby.
Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 16:17
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 16:17
I sort of went thru this not long ago, I have a 7 pin round and havent found a real reason to change to 12 pin. The only thing additional I wanted was 12v car to trailer and thats now via an Anderson plug and 16mm2 cables, so thats sorted.
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Reply By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 16:19
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 16:19
why not have both, common to see them and you can adapt at short notice .
It is also very easy to do as you will have done the required wiring to the tow bar ........
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Follow Up By: Ruffy-Dan - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 16:23
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 16:23
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Just fit both. Wire them in parralell so you can use which ever one you need to.
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Reply By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 16:59
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 16:59
Hi Sue,
I assume when you say you looked for an adapter you wanted to connect a 7 pin flat plug (male) to a 12 pin flat (female)....if so you dont need an adapter, a 7 pin flat plug will fit into a 12 pin recess & works fine it just doesnt line up with the extra 5 larger pins.
I actually fitted a 12 pin plug to my 200 series prior to picking up our new Kedron.....using the larger pins for chaging the van batteries works OK for a while....but the with the heat generated in the process the plastic around the pins gets hot & distorts, making for a poor connection. Ended up scrapping the 12 pin plug, & fitting a 7 pin plug & 50 amp Anderson Plug...all good now very happy.
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Follow Up By: Roachie.kadina.sa.au - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 18:58
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 18:58
I've been using the 12 pin on the Ultimate Camper Trailer now for almost 12 years. I also have a box trailer with a flat 7 pin plug and it fits straight into the top half of the 12 pin plug.
I too only use 2 of the bottom row of larger pins on the 12 pin plug....to charge the twin batteries in the camper. The cables go via an Arrid Twin Charge (a primitive version of a DC to DC charger....there are much better options available these days but
mine still works quite okay). Because the power is going to the DC to DC charger, I don't need to carry huge amperages and the 12 pin plugs copes quite
well with the current.
So, Sue, I suggest you use the 12 pin female plug and a suitable (ie: flat) 7 pin plug on your box trailer. Too easy.
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Follow Up By: Uncle-Laurie - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:57
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:57
We have a similar set up to Roachie on our van.and works very
well.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 00:57
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 00:57
Hi Tony,
Very suprised you had heat buildup in your 12 pin. I have used a 12 pin for years running some heavy loads at times and never had an issue. Do you know if one of the large pins was used for the earth? If only a heavy +ve cable was fitted and the standard earth on the 7 pin side used, then this may have been a cause. My 12 pin is rated for 45A, very similair to the common 50A anderson size most often used.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 09:20
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 09:20
Hi Tony – I had similar problems
I had a 12 pin flat plastic and a small 7 pin for a couple of years but they caused me a bit of grief.
Possible due to the fact that I put them through
water and they were subjected a bit of dust.
I wouldn’t use anything but the large 7 pin plug (Mercedes used to fit them to their vehicles) – a much more substantial unit. If you need more than 7 pins use two plugs.
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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:15
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:15
I also thought about 12 pin, but decided on standard 7 pin plus an Anderson Plug.
I have also made up an Anderson extension lead which I plug car to trailer if I need to top up the car when the generator is running.
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Follow Up By: Hollywood - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:00
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:00
And, if you make a set of jumper leads to hook into them, its a lot easier to help your mates who leave there lights on.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:15
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:15
A large Round 7 pin and Anderson Plugs for me You can get a 7pin round to 7or 12 pin flat adapter. Ive got one I dont use now.
Autobarn sell them in different configurations.
Wouldnt use a 12 pin to charge batteries or run fridge for reasons mentioned above.
Firstly the wiring is not heavy enough and heats up as does the plug.
Far better to get some 6 B& S from the battery to the rear of the car and same on the A frame to batteries and fridge.
I have a separate 8 B & S for the fridge on a second Anderson plug.
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:37
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 17:37
I have a 12 pin flat socket on our vehicle and I use the 12 pins for towing a caravan as the extra ones are used for fulltime rear vision video on the back of the van.
When I use the camper trailer, it has a 7 pin flat plug which as already stated fits into the 12 pin socket.
I agree the extra pins are not suitable for charging etc but work
well for video.
Alan
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Reply By: snapper49 - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 18:24
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 18:24
I have a ford territrory with a ford 2.300kg tow kit installed which includes the 12 pin plug
It does keep the caravan fridge running on 12 volt whilst towing without any problems ie no heating of wiring or plugs
The pins 6-12 are quite heavy as is the purple wire feeding the fridge
The 7 pin flat male does connect into the 12 pin female
So for me it works good
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:10
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:10
Well maybe it does for a small one but my van came with a 6 B &S cable to power the fridge so I guess they wouldnt put it in if something cheaper would do.
a 6 B& S wont fit in a 12 pin connector as I think the heaviest would be about 6mm which is a lot lighter than
mine
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Reply By: Ian & Sue - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:55
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:55
A huge thanks to everyone for replying and telling us of your experiences. A question he had thought of but not asked even got answered, namely the 7 pin flat fitting the 12 pin.
Ian has pretty much decided he will go with what we used to use on the Jeep which was the flat 7 pin and an anderson plug - he has a load of technical reasons for this which I know all of you understand but for this little pink duck its gone over my head! LOL.
You guys have saved me from an afternoon of listening to the "what do you think if I...." I owe you all a coffee when we met on the Wallaby someday.
Cheers
Sue
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Reply By: Gronk - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 20:49
Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 20:49
Although I have a 7 pin round & an anderson at the moment, there is no reason you can't use a 12 pin plug as
well !!
If charging some batts in the van ( or whatever ) double up on the pins....ie; 8&9 + and 11&12 - and you will have no probs.....the pins are rated at 35A each , so 2 pins will outdo a 50A anderson plug....
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 00:50
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 00:50
The 12 pin amp rating must also vary with the brand, my 12 pin has a 45A rating (
well the bottom 5 pins anyway). Have used a 12 pin setup for years and have found it very convinient, ended up changing my Camprite to this from a 7 pin and anderson plug setup it originally had.
Cheers
Captain
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Reply By: paulnsw - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 09:02
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 09:02
12 pin are not what you would call good quality and the pins need to be constantly separated to make proper contact. There is also insufficient contact area on the large 5 pins.
The large good quality 7 pin and Anderson plug is superior trouble free option.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 09:29
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 09:29
Paulnsw you're dead right
Get the quality stuff first off – It saves money and grief in the long run.
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Follow Up By: KiwiAngler - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 14:40
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 14:40
I have purchased a Conqueror UEV490 which is due mid Feb and it uses this
Haevy Duty 7 pin plug
might be worth a look
Rgds
K.A
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 15:02
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 15:02
Looks good How much and how many corrugations will it last do you reckon.
LOL
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Follow Up By: KiwiAngler - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 16:15
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 16:15
How much?? - dont know it is included in the price of the Conqueror
Will it survive the corrugations? - it is in use now with the Conqueror UEV490 - I havent heard any bad reports - have you?
I have the unit at
home waiting to install on my Nissan and I can tell you it is a REAL struggle to pull the 2 1/2's apart - and I am a failrly strong person
Did you take the time to look at the videos???
It states that the magnetic connection can withstand a pull of 25Lbs (11.3kg) which seems a lot to me
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 16:37
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 16:37
Have now and it looks good but I bet its more than the $23 for pair of 7 pin large LOL.
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Follow Up By: paulnsw - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 17:05
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 17:05
And useless when you want to tow anything else. Like all the wanky expensive trailer couplings when a 50mm ball would do the job admirably.
Be interesting to know what sort of current they claim. I wouldn't use one if you gave it to me.
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Follow Up By: KiwiAngler - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 18:19
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 18:19
"And useless when you want to tow anything else." - that is why you would (as I intend to do) wire it in tandem with the tradiotional style 7 pin plug that si already on my Patrol
"Like all the wanky expensive trailer couplings when a 50mm ball would do the job admirably." - Pual this is connection for the lights and brakes, nothing to do with the towball
"Be interesting to know what sort of current they claim" - not sure, but it is also for controlling the electrcic brakes on the CT. I am no auto electrcian but in the detruction manual it says " This plug is designed for use in the applications requiring no more than 36 volts"
"I wouldn't use one if you gave it to me." - You havent seen one, know next to nothing about them but you are agin them - good to see open mindiness is alive and
well. Obviously this product isnt for you then is it?
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Reply By: Johnw14+ - Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 21:37
Sunday, Jan 09, 2011 at 21:37
We have just taken delivery of our new van and I had requested that 6B&S cable be fitted for the fridge and charging of the battery. Requested a 7pin plug and Anderson plug. I got the 7pin plug and the Anderson plug however . . . The wire for the fridge, while still not 6B&S would not fit the into the terminal. The caravan manufacturer did not have a problem. Just cut off some strands! To over come the cut strands I have now fitted a 12 pin which has heavier duty terminals for the extra 5 terminals and now the cable fits OK.
So I guess that in my situation I should have been advised to have the 12 pin plug from the start. Also can you trust the workmanship of the manufacturer? Looks like in my case - no.
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