Update - Federal Govt and BullBars

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 13, 2011 at 19:46
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Public submission period has been extended for proposed adoption of UN standards into ADR for pedestrian protection.

The Australian Government Department of Infrastructure and Transport is releasing a consultation Regulation Impact Statement (RIS) proposing mandating Global Technical Regulation (GTR) No. 9 for pedestrian safety.

GTR 9 is an international vehicle standard developed by the United Nations. The GTR requires vehicle manufacturers to design the front of vehicles to absorb the energy of a collision with a pedestrian or other “vulnerable” road user.

It is proposed that the GTR would be implemented as an Australian Design Rule (ADR). The new ADR would apply to new passenger car, 4WD and light commercial vehicle models being first supplied from 2013 with a phase in period until 2019.

The proposal recognises that compliance with an ADR on pedestrian safety may be affected by the fitting of Vehicle Front Protection Systems (VFPS) commonly known as “bull bars” to new vehicles. This is discussed in the RIS in terms of maintaining pedestrian safety performance. For those vehicles required to meet the ADR and a VFPS is also intended to be fitted, it is proposed to adopt either the European Union standard or the Australian Standard for VFPS, depending on the vehicle type. There is no proposal to ban VFPS.

The RIS has being written in accordance with Office of Best Practice Regulation requirements. Copies of the RIS and other supporting documents, as well as the feedback arrangements, may be found at:


The release of the RIS will be advertised in the Australian newspaper and the Australian Government Gazette in due course. The normal two month public comment period has been extended to three months to allow for the new year period.

There is no need to reply to this post. Put in a submission instead.

Slow down and relax......

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Reply By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2011 at 20:19

Thursday, Jan 13, 2011 at 20:19
That should kill the 4WD market.

If we can't have effective bull bars we'll all just have to keep the current ones forever.

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Follow Up By: Harry and Ann (WA) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 00:08

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 00:08
If we keep the bars we have then big brother will pass a law banning all bars , I wonder what the actual stats are of accidents with bars and vehicle's without bars ,again a case of desk jockeys calling the shots...
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Reply By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Thursday, Jan 13, 2011 at 21:15

Thursday, Jan 13, 2011 at 21:15
As the Infrastructure survey is being run by the government bodies, i am not clear if they will ever pubish all the details, or just the ones they want us to know.

Can I suggest that it might also be worthwhile doing this surveyBull Bars Under Threat (click here) which is being run by 4WD Australia (National Association) and the Australian 4WD Industry Council. They are also making donations to the RFS (upto $20,000) for participation.

I think (hope) that this will provide some balance and possible some published details and finding.

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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 08:28

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 08:28
As I said before, unless smeone can demonstrate beyond doubt that a bull bar saves lives in collisions with animals, there is no chance of winning this in the long run.
No ammount of signatures on surveys will prove anything, and nor should it.
Some facts are required.

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:32

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:32
G'day Peter, I would be interested to see some facts incriminating bullbars, do
you know of any ? What is the ratio of pedestrian deaths with bullbars &
without ? At what speed does this become irrelevant ?. You are correct in
calling for facts. If it can be demonstrated that my bullbar causes a significant
safety issue, I will remove it gladly. Conversely, if it can be shown that drivers
lives are saved by having them, the issue becomes one of balance. If neither can be established, then the huge financial implications of vehicle damage must be
seriously considered. Let's see the facts.
Unfortunately I fear the decision may well be based on surveys &
submissions. cheers....oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Road Warrior - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:52

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:52
I don't think its the bull bars per se, its types of bull bars that raise the ire of the newspaper shakers. For example, the 5 post bull bars that people fit to utes (the B&S ones).
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Reply By: Member - Matt L (WA) - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 00:07

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 00:07
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Reply By: roberttbruce - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:32

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 09:32
how is it brisbane ambulances are fitted with bullbars.... if any vehicle has the potential to do pedestrian damage, an ambulance has to be up there....
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Reply By: Wilko - Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 16:13

Friday, Jan 14, 2011 at 16:13
Hi Maverick,

I wonder if the government would be liable if they banned bull bars and someones kids got killed by a suicidal marsupial.

Unfortunately it'll be our money and wont bring back someone who has died.

Lets hope they have an idea about living in rural/remote Aust and treats this like the garbage it is.

Cheers Wilko

ps Ive already put my submission in
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Reply By: Charles C - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2011 at 09:05

Tuesday, Feb 01, 2011 at 09:05
Whether it is Bull Bars, fishing zones or licences to breathe air, this mob in government is out to legislate us out of existence. They would not have half a brain on a good day, and they are wasting our taxes on their hair brained schemes.
They need to go, we need a change, remember this at the next election.
March 26th could not come any sooner.
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:18

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:18
So that will also mean an end to long roofracks on tradesmans vehicles that have pipe supports going down to the front bumper . . . . and glaziers trucks that have sidemounted racks for glass that project dangerously beyond the sides of the vehicle.
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:20

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:20
EVERY NSW Police Pajero is fitted with a Smartbar - even unmarked ones.
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 18:44

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 18:44
What makes it worse are people that fit illegal 5 post bullbars or fit fishing rod holders to their bars.
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