Tyre puncture sealnt for tubeless tyres on ATV's etc, which is the best? They al

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Hi All

just trying to find what might be the best type of all the different tyre sealant types that will self plug / seal holes in ATV type tyres?

Some i think can corrode the rims i think?

Which types can seal the biggest holes and keep them sealed over time?

Can you get it in a reasonable size container at a decent price?


Regards
GN
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Reply By: Ted G - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 19:45

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 19:45
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Suggest you don't use any as it is extremely difficult to remove the sealent from the rim and the inside of the tyre.
I have used it but they don't seal big holes.
Get a tyre plug kit as they are OK for tempory fixes, but require proper repair as soon as you are able to it.
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 19:49

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 19:49
Have also heard bad stories from tyre fitters dealing with cleaning out old sealant. I'm sure they charge you for the privilege.

FWIW I know many mechanics who use those temporary puncture repair kits as permanent fixes.
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Reply By: equinox - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:15

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:15
Hi GN,

I haven't had a quad for ages now though used to use exactly what I use now for the 4WD.

That is, Rema Tip Top Vulcanising Liquid, in the green can, along with string plugs.
Having said that others I went out with last year with quads (Mick O and crew) used the blue can.

Never heard of it corroding anything.

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Follow Up By: Mick O - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:21

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:21
Al, we weren't using a liquid like "slime" or whatever they used to call it which is what GN is asking about. I'd prefer not to use that stuff on the advice of Scotty. The blue glue was the Rema Tip Top "Special Glue" for the large radial patches.

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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:30

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:30
Hi Alan

thanks for info,

so how is the tip top green different to the blue?

is the green or blue better?

is the blue also a tip top product?

have you seen the Linseal product?

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Follow Up By: equinox - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:50

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:50
Hi GN

Have a look at this website, It's Yank, Rema doesn't have it on its Aussie site.

http://www.rematiptop.com/parts.php?sid=11

I'd probably give the blue a tryout next time, I've still got an almost full medium size can of green though.

Haven't heard of Linseal.

Mick: You're right, I remember reading the can though and thinking this was good stuff.

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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:59

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:59
Hi Alan

thanks for link
I think i might of somehow confused the issue. This fluid you talk of is for repairs i take it?

I was asking about the products that you put say 500ml inside the tyre that sloshes around until a leak apears and then some of the product leaks out but also seals the tyre!

Is that what your thinking or not?

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Follow Up By: equinox - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 22:07

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 22:07
No, that's not my thinking.

I would dip a plug in the glue and squeeze it into the tyre.

Not sure about the product you speak of, though I would be reticent to change my way unless I was really convinced otherwise.

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Reply By: Mick O - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:16

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:16
GN, having fixed my fair share of punctures in ATV tyres over the past three years I wouldn’t recommend the stuff at all. We use the standard plugs with a belt of Panesa glue. After this years trip the damn quad tyres looked like 4 bloody echidnas. (Al had managed to get 23 punctures in one tyre over a two week period ...twenty bloody three!!!) For the big gashes (25mm plus), you may have a bit of luck with plugs as a temporary fix but the mushroom stops work best due to the soft, pliable nature of the quad and the low pressures.

Plugs are the way to go. Mick









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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:35

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:35
Hi Mick O

thanks for info

have not come across the mushroom plugs, do you have a brand or supplier where you can get them?

so for what reason do you choose NOT to use the goo? as well as plugs etc?

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Follow Up By: Mick O - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:57

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:57
Reccomendation of Scotty (EO Members Scott and Gaby). Scott is one of the largest ATV and snow mobile dealers on the North American continent for Arctic Cat Brands.

Country Corners - Canada

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Follow Up By: ob - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 17:06

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 17:06
Hi Mick, may I first congratulate you on your excellent, and hopefully continuing Blogs. I have read and watched your adventures with the ATV,s with great interest. So your Canadian mates sell the second best ATV,s out of the good ol' US of A? LOLOLOL. The best ones stopped with the diesels many years ago.
Anyway back to the tyre repairing. We have a large number of geos that use our brand and although many now are changing over to EMT (runflat) tyres (yes we even supply the Arctic Cat dealer down the street) they still use the Rema brand of "Never Flat" liquid in their tyres, water soluable, does not rust steel rims and is very easily washed out. Plugs of various designs are definitely the go for largish holes (bigger than what the average Biro would make) but in many cases there is still a very annoying small air leakage. This is where this product comes into its own and in many cases small holes are fixed without the rider even being aware that he had one

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Follow Up By: Mick O - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:42

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 18:42
That' interesting Ob. Does the liquid affect a spaghetti type plug if you have to use one on a bigger hole? As for that "Other" brand of ATV, well it's a bit like Holden and Ford isn't it. Diesels are a fantastic unit though.

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Follow Up By: ob - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 22:53

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 22:53
Not sure what you mean by "a spaghetti type plug", our customers use the rubber double headed mushroom type, also a Rema product, as well as the rope type you guys were using in the video clip both with good results. In the case of a longish tear the rubber ones seem to "laminate" better. The Rema Never Flat seals any small leaks in either case. A lot of times they leave the offending stick in the hole and the "gooly gum" does the rest. Doesn't appear to have any negative affects on either type
Just having a little dig about the "other" brand, yeah I guess a bit like Holden v Ford. Agreed for what you guys do the diesel option does have some advantages, safety, commonality of fuel with 4WD's and milage.

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Reply By: Member - Barry B (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:21

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:21
Product called Never-flat,Aust made,distributed by Rema Tip Top,available in 250ml to 25Litre.No affilliation,but used to work for Rema as a NW rep,if you are going to use this as a temporary fix ,this is the one i would recommend.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:19

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 21:19
Hi Barry B

The purpose is for off road agricultural use, so hoping to not just be a temp fix but rather a product that will allow a number of punctures to be repaired and to stay "repaired",

We have been using a product called "Linseal"but its pretty pricey, imported and only avail from one outlet so no competition and i feel its may not be as good as what i have heard other may be.

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GN
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Reply By: Joe Grace Doomadgee - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 22:54

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 22:54
i will go a little against the others and recommend it highly ........
I first came across it when working in the Pilbara at the shire council, we have major headaches with flat tyres on the ride on mowers with spinifex "needles" going right through almost every day .........
We started off with a trial of a 20L drum, very expensive at the time, and put it in all the mowers, instant success with about 90% less down time ......
Few "facts" about it and what it is........ (in my language !!!!)
It is fine fibre's suspended stuff a bit like tiny bits of fibreglass in a fluid that has the same stuff as radiator coolant has in it to stop the rust/corrosion in rims, hence the "green" or "red" in it, it simply rotates and coats the inside of the tyre and if you get a hole it basically clogs it very much like a blood clot, needs the air to set ..... It must only be used in tubeless tyres and rims ..... works really well on helping seal leaking beads on rims ... i have it in the kids buggy ...
If added correctly it will also balance the tyre and yes it does balance them ..... you actually need to remove all "added" weights after putting it in ..... ever used an expensive washing machine with a heavy "rim" around the top of the drum, it is full of fluid and will "balance" it, you work it out .....
On the part about removing it from the tyre/rim, there is a "cheap" crud that is like glue with a solvent base and comes in a pressurised can DONT USE IT, it is very hard to remove and rusts the rim, the good stuff is water based with the rust inhibitor in it and simply washes out with water .... you let the tyre down and squirt it in ...
another FACT ...... most tyre repair shops make money out of fixing tyres, they HATE it and guess why ???
..... most damage is done to a tyre after it has run flat, if you can stop 75% of flats with this stuff you are way ahead as it WILL fix small holes almost instantly and you will not even notice a pressure drop ..... you can use the "string" plugs without doing anything to the tyre, remove the "thing", jam in the string plug, pump it up and away you go again ....
Do i use it now, NO, i have only just got away from splits/tubes and got back into tubeless and i WILL be buying it and treating ALL 6 tyres ..... just so wet here now cant drive anyware for 3 months ... i had it in our Mazda Bravo for 5 years, never balanced any tyres and had only 2 flats, 7 years living in the bush .. (Pilbara, Kimberlys, down to NSW and back up, Maningrida, Bickerton Island....) ... yes i swear by it.
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Joe
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:37

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:37
Hi Joe

Well put, i think you have covered it and i agree with what you say.

we have been using a product called "linseal" for some time which is green. I was hoping there may be possibly a better product out there? the linseal has tiny bits of suspended rubber in the solution to block holes and is water soluble apparently.

many thanks
GN
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Follow Up By: ob - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 23:08

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 23:08
Hi GN
Sounds like the Linseal product you are using is very similar to the Rema Tip Top Never Flat. Not sure what you are paying for the Linseal but the Rema one we sell for about $20 per 500ml bottle. In the case of geologists ATV's where they get heaps of punctures we put one bottle in each tyre. If you are only getting the occasional stake you may get away with maybe half a bottle.
Don't Know the Linseal brand but the Never Flat works a treat

ob
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Reply By: Member - Barry B (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 23:01

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 23:01
G;Day GN,when you say agric area,do you mean lupins & canola ,or just a
wheat , barley ? Depending on the size,sometimes you can overcover them


or put an old tube in as a liner,and then a smaller tube as main one,the idea being to break the stalk off before it hits the tube.If you're running t/l the never flat might save you a couple of trips to the tyre service,sometimes
the beads can be difficult to pop off.Rgda Barry
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Follow Up By: Joe Grace Doomadgee - Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 23:19

Tuesday, Jan 18, 2011 at 23:19
i do that with the kids bikes, use an old tube, cut out the valve, split it and put the new tube in it inside the tyre and seems to work really well
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:40

Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:40
Hi Barry B

yes have seen the tube cut trick done before too, does work.

the situation is in table grapes where we use plastic covers to protect fruit attached to trellis with long thin nails, which lots and lots get dropped / fall out so we have then a constant source of extra flats.

regards
GN
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