Oil usage in 200 series T/D - when does it slow down

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 21:34
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My Dec 2009 LC t/d now has 30,000 km's and still using oil more than my old Patrol.(no oil added between services)

It is using a litre in approx 2500 km

Is any one else using that much and when does it go back to normal. Or is that normal for Toyota's.

Very happy with every thing else.
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Reply By: Member - Ian F (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 22:02

Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 22:02
G'day pling,
You have to realise modern engines run hotter and therefore cylinders have to be lubricated and on every firing stroke any oil on the cylinder wall is burnt off and is replaced on the next stroke. If no oil engine would soon seize.
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 23:41

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 00:20

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 00:20
What does "Pajero" mean in Spanish?

Anyone???

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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 07:56

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 07:56
I agree with OREJAP.....there is absolutely no reason for a modern diesel engine to use oil. I believe that the V8 in the 200 and other is the only one that has this problem and in most cases it settles down by around 50000km. The only engines I know of that are actually designed to be a 'loss' system for oil are some gas turbines like the Rolls Royce Gnome and some of the smaller Allisons - and this is to ensure lubrication of the hot end bearings - and we're not like to find these donks in our 4x4's anytime soon :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:29

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:29
"Pajero"


The word "pajero" in Spanish is the scientific name "gato pajero" (‘grass cat’) - the official name derived by Mitsubishi when they named the car.

For the curious, the Spanish word pajero means ‘wanker’, from paja meaning ‘wank’ (literally, ‘straw’), in the expression hacerse una paja, (literally ‘to do oneself a straw’).

Mitsubishi have changed the name of this car in Spanish speaking countries to Montero (‘hunter in the mountains’)

I know you know this GB but it was interesting to look it up.





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Follow Up By: pling - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:23

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:23
Thanks Ian, I do know all engines run on oil or they stop working.

My last transport was a car not a horse.

I think you would agree, the 200 series T/D are abnormal "to modern engines" in the amount of oil they use per 100 km.

All motors run hot.

But thank you for your opinion, this forum has helped me understand mine is not the only one using more oil than is normal for any "modern engine".
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Follow Up By: petesgq - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 08:31

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 08:31
Hi there a good mate is a service manager for you brand truck and toyo wont admit it but the oils is not the right oil for this application.

You need to change the oil to a better quailty than what they use in the services.

If you are not sure or worried about you r warranty get it serviced and drain the oil as soon as you get home and replace with your choice of a better oil and then see the difference in the usage.
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Reply By: Sea Star - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 22:19

Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 22:19
Yes I am using the same amount and it has not slowed up I now have 40000Km up. Last week when I talked to local dealer he advised they do not have a fix as yet. When I questioned him on the vacum pump I had herd about as a fix he advised that was not correct. I checked with an other dealer who I trust, they advised that the vacum pump had worked on some but not all and yes they do not have a fix but the new ones seem to not have the problem. When I asked are Toyota going to cover under an extended warranty , he went very quite. I don't believe they are as good as the 100 series they just have a lot more power.I am starting to here about problems with tail shaft's, dust not good for car as expansive as they are. This is my third but think next time I will do a little more research before just going to Toyota.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 22:31

Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 22:31
G/Day mate, If you keep researching You will find some interesting facts on the turbos with these engines, It looks like the area that the oil is disappearing, and well could be a design fault... Hence toyo are going around in circles with the prob.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 06:27

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 06:27
Wrong!
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Follow Up By: Axle - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:54

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:54
BooBook not wrong , Maybe i should have said one of the areas where there looks likes being a problem.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:07

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:07
Axle posted:

G/Day mate, If you keep researching You will find some interesting facts on the turbos with these engines, It looks like the area that the oil is disappearing, and well could be a design fault... Hence toyo are going around in circles with the prob.


Can you show us some of that research and interesting facts you directed the poster to, seems to be easy to research according to you. Show us how easy.....



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Follow Up By: Axle - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:56

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:56
The LcoolForum is a good start, But i'm sure he will get around to doing that,

The 200series problems are all discussed there if you care to take time and read carefully, and is first hand imformation from owners and their experiences with dealers.

By the way !, There seems to be a tone in your posts that despises anyone that says anything about Toyota/s, Why???


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 06:15

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 06:15
Axle, I am a member of LCOOL and have never seen any reference to the issue you raised here. You said that it is easily researched so where is it? Issues raised by others on this forum are expressed on LCOOL and are true.

My issue with your statement is simply that it is not true. Go ahead and say whatever you like about Toyota, I am not a shareholder and don't care. What I do care about is correcting wrong advice to people seriously looking for help.

You should be able to back up your comments, expecialyl how you indicated it was easy to research, otherwise your comments are to be taken as what they appear. Uninformed gossip. Where are these references?
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Follow Up By: Axle - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 20:00

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 20:00
So you have seen the posts and illustrations on the turbo's at LCOOL


These guys are worried about the problem and as i stated it could well be a area at fault,

So why don't you post in and tell them there all full of crap?

So how do you know its not true anyhow?

So what is your answer to the excess oil usage of the 200s.


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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 20:11

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 20:11
Yep check the 200 LCOOL page daily. Never seen a mention of systematic turbo oil burn problems.

You should read it and you will see that my original follow up to you stands.

Come on you said it is easy to research. SHOW IT.

Until then, the verdict on you stands.
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Reply By: Ifeellikeanewscreenname (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 22:55

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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 23:37

Tuesday, Jan 25, 2011 at 23:37
Copied from LCOOL Forum on 200 Series
You need to join (it's free) to read & participate in the Forum but there is a wealth of knowledge.




Post 1:
"Strongish rumour

The pistons do not have an oil bypass valve to properly lubricate/cool the piston. This means the piston runs hotter (& hence the engine failures) but because they run hotter the external cooling causes the oil to get much hotter during the cooling process producing more fumes. The oil is able to cool down alright its just the increase in temperature of the oil whilst it is actually cooling the piston

More fumes means more gas to separate & hence higher consumption.

Solution will be a recall to replace pistons, particularly seeing there have been some engine failures as opposed to just oil usage. The engine failures may be related to bio diesel only in that if the ethanol is not fully separated from the bio diesel during manufacture then the fuel will burn hotter than normal, thus causing a problem only because of a design fault in the engine itself

Toyota may have considered not doing a recall because oil consumption was not seen as a big problem, but with engine failures it becomes necessary or at least prudent

Single turbo V8s are effected in the same way.

As I say its only a rumour so far"



Post 2:
"After complaining to Qld fair trading about high oil consumption I received a letter from Toyota confirming that my vehicle is out of line with there specification of 1L/8000kms. The engine will require several internal changes and checking of the ancillary lubrication system. They will rectify my engine in the shortest possible time after parts arrive in Australia.

Went to the Dealers to book the car in and asked what internal parts need to be changed. After talking to Toyota the Dealer said they will change a full set of rings and pistons. Waiting on parts from Japan."



The only confusing thing regarding your vehicle is that from August 2008, all the pistons and rings were supposed to have been updated.

As a 200 Series (Nov 2007) owner I'm watching closely.

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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:00

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:00
G'day GB, Out of interest are you losing oil in your Toyota that's disappearing between changes. If so how much? The owners of these V8 Toyota's would have to be monitoring the oil usage & hope there is no engine explosion!! Although the "Fix" might be at the expense of Toyota there is the inconvenience to the consumer. I suppose there is nothing an owner can do but pray the vehicle doesn't get worse with increasing kilometres. Once the vehicle is "fixed" I wonder what further warranty/guarantee will be offered to the customer. Have any 200 series T/D actually experienced engine failure? Anyone!!
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 08:00

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 08:00
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Member - Bucky replied:
Terry

Mate got one for his work.
Heard about the oil useage and bedding in problem, of the rings
He just gave it absolute heaps, and it has never used a drop of oil.

Other Tradies in the area have gone gentle on them, and suffered the "bedding in" and oil useage problem.
You go figure it out !

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Opps..... Wake up Dopey !

Read the post Bucky LC200 not the Ute..but it is the same motor !

Dosen't matter, but at least in the Ute you have the ability to give them heaps through the gears.

Bag it up and manually select up and down thru the gears, and bed those rings in properly.......Should have no oil useage problems.

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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:37

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:37
I have a June 2008 TTD @ 46,000kms and it hardly uses any oil - around 10-20mm on the dipstick over 10,000kms. But I drove it like I stole it for the running in and also make sure that every second tank or so I get in nice and warm - such a chore :)

The problem with the 200 V8 is that it has SO much torque that if you drive it gentle you can easily not exceed 2,000rpm on a 1/4 throttle and still be in front of the traffic. But now you start to glaze the cylinders and there goes your oil consumption. Too many people drive the 200 for maximum fuel economy ALL the time when a simple full throttle squirt will fix 90% of peoples problems.

Also, all motors do use some oil, its a simple design fact. The difference is how much oil is used and this depends on the engine design. The 200 has relatively "loose" pistons and if you do short runs and not warm the engine, there has been reports of high oil consumption. This is normal for short runs. Those same vehicles also report virtually no oil use when used on long runs. Check out the threads on LCOOL.ORG and you can read a whole heap about it.

There is heaps of information about the oil use of the 200 V8TTD on the web in various places, some accurate, some conflicting, most inaccurate and some downright wrong.

The common theme is that most do not have an issue, some have a small issue and very few have a big issue. Unfortunatly yours does seem to be in the big issue catagory and should be on the Toyota oil watch list :(

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Follow Up By: Members - Bow & Nan - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 08:54

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 08:54
I am one of the ones that has a big issue with oil consumption ( 1 litre every 1800k when towing). High oil consumption on long hot runs. Low oil consumption around town. The longer since a oil change the higher the oil consumption.

I have spent a lot of time talking to the Toyota teck people.

Run them in hard is only a rumour not a fact

Toyota teck have three fixes for high oil consumption.

1) New vacuum pump.

2) Change a vacuum hose. (don't know what hose)

3) New pistons and rings, there is a design fault in the early model rings and pistons.

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Follow Up By: Members - Bow & Nan - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 13:59

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 13:59
One more point my 200 series spends most of it life towing 3500kg and still burns oil. Has always been driven hard.

On the up side I have owned Landcruisers since 1982 and the 200 series out preforms them all on and off road.
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Reply By: Madfisher - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:12

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:12
Guys not a 200, but we had and Isuzu 250 truck that was a bad oil burner. Suddenly stopped at 100000ks after a hard quick run.
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Reply By: pling - Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:33

Wednesday, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:33
Thanks to all.

I do drive for economy and that seems to not help the situation.

Most of my km's are on the Hume Highway and are a minimum of 200 ks from start to finish. (Home to farm and return)

Will try the advice, "drive it like it is stolen".

Reminds of the old saying, If it has four wheels or a dress, it will cost money.

Thanks again.
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