Are the Patrol CRD 3lts still a grenade?

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 16:52
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Gday all,

Just wondering If there has been any further engine probs with the more recent CRD 3lt in the Patrols now.
Am looking at trading in the 4.8 for either less horses or tossing up wether to go to the dark side...

Any Info on 3lt Implosions on the more "recent" Patrols appreciated.

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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 16:54

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 16:54
Yes go the dark side.


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Reply By: CJ - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 17:23

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 17:23
You will see the light when you go to the other side and realise you are actually on the dark side now..........
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 17:26

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 17:26
Nop all good now if you buy the newer model.
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 18:00

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 18:00
No real comparison between the crd 3lt patrol and a twin turbo cruiser. Price puts the cruiser out of average Joe's range but if it is within budget then surely the Cruiser would have to be the pick?

These comments from a Nissan owner of many years.
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 15:08

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 15:08
depends if you like soft drivelines and CV's made out of tissue paper.
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:48

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:48
I can see the value for money and old school toughness argument for the Patrol but if you can afford the 200 IMHO should be looking at a D4. It is cheaper than the Cruiser and perhaps better value for money than the Patrol and a far superior vehicle to both. My 3.0 is now consistently delivering low 10's solo and mid 11's with the Aussie Swag on the back. 20K on board.

FWIW no problems with my 02 Patrol 3.0Di Auto when sold at 140K.

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Reply By: Harry and Ann (WA) - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 18:39

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 18:39
About the Dark side, YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER, you are the decision maker in the end ???.
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 19:02

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 19:02
There should be a lot of info on here http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/

Cheers Dave..
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Reply By: pepper2 - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 19:22

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 19:22
I purchased a 3litre common rail patrol approx 4 mths ago runs well but has extreme fuel consumption eg 6klm/liter at the BEST down to about 4kl/litre towing an 800kg camper pumps black smoke allmost constantly advice from various experts is that they have seen this often in the common rail patrols.
So far NISSAN do not want to assist in any way unless i pay to have independant dyno test.

It would be cheaper to run a patrol or toyota petrol .

BE VERY CAUTIOUS before you part with the cash.
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Follow Up By: ingo57 - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 09:17

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 09:17
Geez pepper,

With those fuel figures Id be better off keeping the 4.8.

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Reply By: Member - peter r (NSW) - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 21:49

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 21:49
my new 3lt CRD has 2000k on it now fuel is a bit heavy about 13lt per 100ks motor is very tight and i hope fuel will improve . My last 3lt did 200000ks not a problem with it at all. the old 3lt fuel was always 10 lt /100ks doing the same running.i have seen 1 3lt fail at 120000ks it was a 2000 year build ,i pulled the motor down and found a hole in number 3 piston . i believe the new 3lt CRD
will last the distance .you get 3 years warranty and can extent it to 6 years for about $1100 . go out and get the best deal you can and go for it better than something second hand if you can manage it .
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Follow Up By: Member - peter r (NSW) - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 22:09

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 22:09
New patrol is 2 weeks old

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Follow Up By: Alan S (WA) - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 23:05

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 23:05
Hi Peter

I have a 2008 CRD, and my fuel consumption was high 13's, but about 12 mths ago it started to drop. It started to improve about 50,000 km.

i keep all fuel records and now it is about 13.1 lt/100 over the liife of vehicle, and consistently low to mid 12's each tan full.


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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 07:19

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 07:19
I'm betting that your Patrol is an auto! Seems high consumption is related somehow to auto transmissions and Nissan vehicles....my D40 Navara auto returns around 12.5 around town and 13 on the highway (go figure) - and when towing my 1.4 tonne camper gets 14.5.
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Reply By: bert546 - Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 23:39

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011 at 23:39
anything to get the nissan haters goin i spose
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 07:21

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 07:21
Yea agree........we have an 80 series petrol auto, a 4.2 turbo diesel 100 series and my D40 in the family.....and I sure prefer driving the D40 and certainly feel much more relaxed at the end of a long drive. That said, off road the higher clearance of the cruisers is much better.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 08:08

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 08:08
Hi Ingo

The overall image I have received is that its significantly better and probably no worse than the issues we see in the 200 series these days , in both cases I think its a fact of life that a small percentage of any have problems and this would not put me off buying either. Obviously though you would take precautions , and I would always go with something that may have an engine issue than which has a basic stability problem.

I think it stills comes down to what you want in a car and the thing that put me off 3lt was the rest of the package with its small brakes and old auto.

I do like my new auto 4800 , but its looking like its thirstier than the manual 4800 when in the bush but less so on the highway.

I still have the manual which I may leep long term and possibly put the new auto on liquid injection gas - sort of having the best of both worlds.

One thing that has been better than I thought is the R51 Pathfinder we have , I note that it won this years Overlander 4wd of the year and it will soon have the new 170kw 550mn Diesel in it at a price.
Could be the dark horse in the race.



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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 09:02

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 09:02
Wow, some of those fuel figures arent too flash, are they ? I think I will
remain silent, & not mention that my 10 year old 3.5 auto Jack beats the worst
& matches the best mentioned. Ooops...it slipped out..:)))))).....oldbaz.
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Reply By: Shaver - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:40

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:40
Well here's one for the Nissan diehards ! My 200 petrol Cruiser usually gets between 12.5 & 12.9 L/100 on the H'way (only done 13,000 k's). Not bad for a 3 tonne vehicle & you can't compare the refinement between the two. If you like quietness & driveability take one for a test drive whether it be diesel or petrol & you will see what I mean. A bit of a difference in price, but well worth the extra !
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:48

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:48
Hi Shaver

Thats about same as my new auto Patrol Petrol 4800 and I certainly like its refinement , but without getting into a Toyo/Nissan discussion what I am really try to find out is how much it uses in the heavy stuff.

Wonderer if you have tried yours out like that.

I am planning a Vic desserts trip now over march long weekend to sort this out.

I think the only way to find out, and cut out the guesses, will be to use a 50km sand track course I have previously worked with , fill the car up on the spot with jerries, drive out the course 2 or 3 times and re-fill it on the spot.

I am secretly hoping the use won't quite double (25lt/100km)










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Follow Up By: Shaver - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:23

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:23
Robin,

Sorry can't help you there with fuel consumption, but it would no doubt be a bit heavier by any stretch of the imagination. I think the 200 with KDSS, Centre Diff Lock & Crawl Control (if used) would have the advantage though in regard to traction & wheel articulation.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:56

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:56
Your tempting me with that reply Shaver , but I'll stay on message, its just that I have noticed a heavy fuel use increase whenever the torque convertors in these things go unlocked.
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Follow Up By: Shaver - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:19

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:19
I know Robin from past Post's you can be a bit one eyed, but as you say, we will stay on track ! End of matter !
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 13:20

Friday, Jan 28, 2011 at 13:20
The 200 Series is light years ahead of the Patrol which is to be expected. So is a 100 series V8 in my opinion, in terms of refinement, NVH levels etc however the problem still remains fuel consumption and the Patrol Diesel is more economical and people don't take V8 cruisers off road that much. The 100 series 6 cylinder cruiser live axle is an old truck nowadays imo. The diesel 100 series still demand a ripping price so we have a void for large to medium sized diesel 4WD's in my opinion.
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Follow Up By: feraldisco2 - Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:24

Saturday, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:24
not really sure why people limit themselves to Patrols vs Cruisers - for most needs, there are plenty of vehicles out there that will do the job with much better fuel economy, handling etc, including Prados, Pathfinders and Discos. Patrols and Cruisers are quite space inefficient, so big on the outside doesn't always equate to being commensurately big on the inside.

Regardless of the vehicle choice, diesel will always be better than petrol for offroading and touring for reasons including: better fuel economy in general and therefore better range; smaller % increase in fuel consumption offroad; safer to carry diesel in jerrys than petrol; low revving and relaxed driveability both onroad and off... I'm actually not sure why they even bother making petrol 4WDs any more...diesel technology has advanced at a greater rate than petrol technology in the last decade to the extend that there's not much performance advantage with petrol, but a serious economy disadvantage.

Finally, fuel consumption increases at a greater rate as petrol engines age vs diesel engines.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 02:35

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 02:35
Average Joes dont buy Discos nor was that the question, perhaps the Prado D4 is an alternative? I guess the problem and issue is Nissan's reputation and therefore the original question, we have already deviated ? Tell me do you think Nissan Patrol Buyers consider a new Disco's of some description?
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 13:16

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 13:16
IMHO The state of the market at the moment is quite interesting as it is becoming more fragmented. The GU Patrol started out competing against the 80 series and in many ways is still what people are looking at but the 200 is nothing like an 80. Probably the nearest thing in the Tojo catalog is the "4 door Troopie" which has several disadvantages to the Patrol but an advantage in the engine dept. The 100 took Toyota further away from the market that genuinely needed an affordable, tough 4wd wagon and the 200 even further again. I think the Prado has filled the gap for Toyota in the 'average joe' stakes as they can't stump the cash for the 200. Those that can are also considering the D4 because of the superior capability and value. These people are either not going to really hurt a 100K car (perhaps tow or tour only) and high end Prado buyers may be tempted too because of the extra size. If you check over at ALRO there are a lot getting into D4's as their 100's need replacing.

The Patrol is probably the only reasonably refined wagon out there now that you can buy new and build up into a rugged 'expedition' type vehicle relatively easilly and affordably, which is probably why it continues to sell and has not been discontinued. Toyota have tried to fill the same gap with the 79, perhaps they shoud bering back the 80?

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Follow Up By: feraldisco2 - Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 13:49

Sunday, Jan 30, 2011 at 13:49
agree with OBTs sensible comments

a bit more confused about where TerraFirma's coming from:

. another poster on this thread mentioned that the Pathfinder had surprised and I was simply pointing out that some "large" 4WDs don't have much more interior space than supposedly "medium" 4WDs, and the medium 4WDs often have better economy, handling and onroad performance (sometimes with a slight loss of offroad performance/durability, but this isn't the highest priority for many touring 4WD owners) - so therefore may be worth considering

. not really sure what is meant by 'average Joes don't buy Discos' - a similarly optioned Prado or Cruiser is no cheaper than a Disco

. and yes, Patrol and Cruiser owners do buy Discos just as the reverse is true
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Monday, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:32

Monday, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:32
My point is Disco's are far more expensive than a Patrol. A Patrol buyer who wants to go offroad will not consider a Pathfinder IMO. Either way I don't believe a Disco or a Pathfinder are viable alternatives to a Patrol for the reasons mentioned above, thats my point, pretty simple really.
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