New Prado 150 - can seats come out?

Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 15:08
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Hi all, have just sold our beloved, well travelled 100 series petrol Landcruiser and purchased the new TD Prado. Has anyone had any experience in taking out row 2 and 3 seats. I know we wont need to carry as much fuel as with the Landcruiser, but it would be good to lighten the load, and make more room for tent, chairs, food etc. Also starting to be concerned at just how tuff this new vehicle will be. There are so many more electronics, so I guess my next question is has anyone been over extreme corregation, etc, such as Gary Highway, Gibb River Road in the new Prado and how did it go? Look forward to your replies and thanks. Jan
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 15:23

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 15:23
I'll start it off.

Technically it is illegal in Qld anyway to remove bolted down seats for anything more than a Temporary time.
I was quoted as "Less than a week"

When we removed my 2nd row in the 100ser I went to an engineer for

confirmation and for $60 he blueplated it back to a 2 seater.

When we returned 2years later and replaced the seats he replated it back to 8 seats for another $60.

There are those on here who will rubbish this but here is the reply from Qld Roads regarding this


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Thank you for your email of 10 June 2010, regarding Modification Plates.
The Departments apologises for the delay in responding.

If the owner of a vehicle which has been modified requires the vehicle to be returned to an original or build standard, (eg; return to the original seating capacity), on completion of the work a Modification Certificate must be issued. There should be at least 2 modification plates affixed to the vehicle.

The modification plate certifying the original modification.
The more recently dated plate reverting the vehicle to the earlier build standard.
Should you require further information relating to your modification enquiry, please contact the department on telephone 13 23 80 between 8am and 5pm, Monday to Friday. (Local call charge in Australia. Higher rates apply from mobile phones and payphones. For international callers, please phone +61 7 3834 2011).

A Client Relations Consultant will be happy to assist with your enquiry.


I trust this information is of assistance.

Yours sincerely,
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This was in answer to me asking about what you had to do when replacing the seats.

The engineer who did this said when he took his certification course they were told that you may not remove the seats for even 10 mins without a plate.

I had to take the car and paperwork to Caboolture and they inspected it and changed the seating capacity on the rego papers and redid them after replacement of the seats.

Some on here have removed them without doing any of this and I got rubbished for a similar reply last year.

However these are the facts as presented to me by the relevant authorities.

The modification code for those who want to doubt me and look it up is

LK1



You may of course do as you like.

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 16:42

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 16:42
Sounds like NSW red tape!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 17:29

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 17:29
Qld red tape actually.


True never the less.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 19:29

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 19:29
Hi Graham, I meant its the same down south here, not much difference between states!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 19:56

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 19:56
Yep from the other thread some time ago its the same everywhere except WA







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Follow Up By: Member - John B2 (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 20:02

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 20:02
Not in Victoria it is legal to remove these seats.

No engineers certif required

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 20:20

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 20:20
Do you mean the back row or both rows leaving only the front two seats...

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 20:24

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 20:24
Yes you are right but as the OP is in QLDI answered as a fellow QLD owner as the rules I posted will apply.






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Follow Up By: Member - John B2 (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 20:35

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 20:35
I was responding to your post

Yep from the other thread some time ago its the same everywhere except WA

QLD you have to blue plate every single change, a real pain in the butt.

A good money earner for those qualified to do so


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Follow Up By: youngharry52 - Thursday, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:43

Thursday, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:43
Hi Graham,

I realise that this is off topic, but can you provide me with the details of the engineer that you used please? I live in Petrie. (youngharry52athotmail.com)

Regards


Chris
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Reply By: Member - Bruce T (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 15:49

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 15:49
Jan,

Our third row of seats have been removed and we have installed a Black Widow Drawer system. I should say we have had installed as we didn't remove them. They are now on our garage floor while we work out where to put them. They are quite heavy. We also had a cargo barrier and top shelf fitted at the same time.

Go to pradopoint.com and you'll get heaps of info from there.

We intend totake ours over the Gary Junction, Gibb River and Great Central.

The best we have done so far is go down the steep slope to the beach at Deep Creek. We had 2 passengers in and it did well.

Bruce and Di
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Reply By: beergutz - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 21:35

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 21:35
without a blue plate would your insurance be voided ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 22:00

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 22:00
Could well be but probably only if the removal of the seats contributed to the accident.

Like having stuff in the area where they should be and no cargo barrier.

Brake hard and it wraps around your neck.

We had a cargo barrier right behind front seats and one in the normal rear position.

Made a floor to go in between and had the Waeco and washing machine in there and small stuff on top of the drawers in the rear.

All worked well

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 22:35

Wednesday, Feb 02, 2011 at 22:35
On thinking about this it could be that without the plate your vehicle could be classed as unroadworthy.

I know that if a dealer sell you a Cruiser with the rear row not there, It is illegal to do so as it does not comply with its registration paper markings.

When I took mine back to get it replated the guy said where's your rear seats.

At the time they were in a storage shed with 50cu mt of stuff.

Luckily we knew each other well enough to let me away with it.

Cheers I prefer to do it by the book and not have to worry about legalities


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Follow Up By: Member - Jan Z (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 03, 2011 at 09:52

Thursday, Feb 03, 2011 at 09:52
Thanks everyone. Isn't it a ridiculous state of 'red tape'. We'll look into it all, and look forward to our first big trip in it in a few months or so. Probably just go out to Stanthorpe areas and down to Sofala/Bathurst areas first where we don't have to take a lot of water etc. Really want to do the Canning and other more remote areas one of these days. Thanks again. Jan
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Thursday, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:07

Thursday, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:07
Jan,

Yes the seats can come out, but it's a fiddly job. I did one and I had instructions. I was taking it slowly as I didn't want to damage anything and it took over two hours.

I'd recommend getting your dealer to do it.

Also be aware that when they come out you are back to metal floor with wires and various other protrusions. It is not an ideal "floor" on which to stack stuff.

Jim.



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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 03, 2011 at 15:44

Thursday, Feb 03, 2011 at 15:44
I bought 1/2 a sheet of 15mm ply and cut it to shape The front cargo barrier was sitting on a piece of grooved 3 x 2 and I attached the front of the floor to the barrier brackets. The rear went under the rear barrier.
The lower arms of the front one were attached to two of the seat bolt holes.

All worked fine for 50,000k.

Still have the floor and barrier arms sitting in the garage if someone wants it.

Only 8 bolts to take the 100 ser ones out.


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