Corner Country in a cheap 2wd – Top Gear Challenge style

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I am currently working with a few friends to plan a trip over 2 weeks around Easter 2012. Inspired by Top Gear our plan is to each buy an old 2wd vehicle for less than $1500. Then spend less than $500 getting it roadworthy and prepared for the trip. We won’t be alone; the plan is to have 2 4wds in support, a mechanic and of course a photographer.

Starting in Victoria our plan is to visit Mungo NP, Broken Hill, Camerons Corner, Strzelecki Track, Wilpena Pound then down to Robe and then home.

Now I’ve previously done the Oodnadatta track (4wd) and other parts of the SA Outback and would have no problem doing 90% of what I saw, but I have never been through the Cormer Country area. What is it like. Is it possible in 2wd (with 4wd support)? Any suggestions on preparing the cars for the trip including best way to prepare a 2wd for snatching, etc.

Being cheap cars were not too worried about damage, bumps or scraps but the plan is to get them home.

Should be a fun trip with some planned challenges along the way. Should be a blast.
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Reply By: Gronk - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:41

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:41
Ordinary old Commodore....no worries ( if dry ).....just take a couple of spare tyres !!!
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Reply By: Member - Graham N (SA) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:54

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 19:54
Did Cameron Corner end of last year all the roads were ok dirt roads but it will as above depend on the wet stuff.
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Follow Up By: 2000 Red Rodeo - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 20:33

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 20:33
Other than the fact we need time to prepare we are hoping that next year will be dryer than this year has been
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham N (SA) - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 14:25

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 14:25
after almost 18 years of drought we are hoping for no rain, just a joke, but I'm sure it (no rain) will come. Are you turning off the strzelecki near Mt Hopless that track can be a bit rough but good way to keep off the bitumen till you almost get to Wilpena. Best of luck keep us informed might see you as you go past.

Cheers
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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 20:27

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 20:27
Go for it lads and have fun, but keep it safe.
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Reply By: Shaker - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 20:37

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 20:37
Try a Peugeot 504, it will do it easily!
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:20

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:20
Agreed ! they were amazing cars
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Follow Up By: splits - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:44

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:44
I agree. I had one for ten years. Bloody brilliant. Cheap, very easy to work on, just about unbreakable and outstanding on rough roads.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:53

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:53
Yep, hasn't been a car mentioned in thsi thread yet that would hold a candle to a 504 off the road!
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Follow Up By: petengail - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 14:24

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 14:24
As an ex 504 owner I shall fourth that...
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Follow Up By: harryopal - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 17:46

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 17:46
While 4wds are now everywhere of course once that was not the case so 2wd was the usual. Most noticed feature on outback roads then was the number of exhaust pipes and parts so ground clearance ought be a major consideration... I think. The early Fords and Whippets and such models that pioneered the early bush travel generally had a pretty good clearance.
Not suggesting you find a T model Ford and really don't know what best would serve in 2wd later models. A good roll of wire is probably a handy extra.

Good luck.
Yours tropically, Harry
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Reply By: Crackles - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:08

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:08
No big deal. Hundreds of backpackers do it every year except they don't have 4x4 backup & rarely spend the $500 to get their cars roadworthy ;-))
Common issues for low cars on outback roads are regular punctures, blocked air filter/fuel system & exaust damage. Your route generally is very straight forward for a 2wd except after rain but I suppose that's just one of the challenges.
Have fun. Cheers Craig..............
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Reply By: Road Warrior - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:09

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:09
Sounds like you'd be interested in the bleep box rally then:

http://www. bleep boxrally.com.au/
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Follow Up By: Road Warrior - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:10

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:10
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Follow Up By: 2000 Red Rodeo - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:44

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:44
Thanks

Love the website - also some good ideas we could use
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Follow Up By: Road Warrior - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:46

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:46
I'm more than a little jealous - if the Minister for Finance hadnt gotten herself knocked up then I'd be joining you!!
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Reply By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:13

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:13
EA/EB falcon, jack em up a bit and go anyware ..... cheap as chips and heaps of cheap parts around .........
I would bolt on some lugs on the front so hook up is easy, i think there is a couple under the front but if stuck they will be under the mud, bit of sheet metal under the sump and g/box and not much else to cover, go the autos as they will last longer if given a hammering, hole saw to cut hole in bonnet and whack on a bit of downpipe from the tip, spray ALL electricials with CRC "soft seal" (green can) and will not have any electricial problems .......
Peasa Pizza .....
Enjoy and have fun ...
Cheers
Joe
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Reply By: Wilko - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:18

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:18
1999 rodeo 2wd with the 3.2lt petrol and high rider suspension. Just make sure you have longrange fuel tanks on it and expect around 20lt/100km lol.

Cheers Wilko
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Follow Up By: 2000 Red Rodeo - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:19

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:19
Our 4wd is a 2000 Rodeo.

For the challenge we have a rule that the car must be at least 20 years old, But the thought of getting an old Rodeo did cross my mind
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Reply By: D200Dug- Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:23

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:23
A good set of tyres and spares.

As much ground clearance as you can manage.

Limited slip dif or a dif lock system would be a great help.

just make sure you have good front and back tow points and a good selection of straps including spares.

Have fun sounds like a blast !

Plenty of the locals drive 4x2s out there find a copy of the ABC program "Bush Mechanics" for some great advice :-)
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:30

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:30
I made a cheap cover for my fuel tank by getting a sheet of mild galvanized plate steel and attaching it under the tank with a good silicone adhesive.

I used 3 parallel lines of silicone and left a gap of about 1cm between the plate and the tank to absorb any knocks and also to deter anyone from bashing a hole in the tank to drain fuel.

Just leave an open gap so you can hose any mud out if it does collect in there.
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Reply By: muffin man - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:33

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:33
Crikey, 30 years ago we were chasing waves in the oldest ugliest cars and they went everywhere. If the roads are dry you'll have a ball and if they are wet you'll definately have even more fun, only if they are open of course.
MM
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Reply By: Tim Owen - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:54

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:54
I drove a 1974 VW Kombi to Camerons Corner about 12 years ago - no worries. No idea what the tracks are like now.
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:59

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:59
Any model comby would do it easy. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael O (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 03:55

Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 03:55
Did all that and more with a Kombi ute. Bogged once near Coward Springs but no dramas and plenty of laughs
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Reply By: 2000 Red Rodeo - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:55

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:55
Any suggestions on the best car to take. Doesn't necessarily have to be practical. A few thoughts I have had include
1) Go prestige - Merc or Jag
2) Go small, reliable and economical - Corolla or Datsun 180B
3) Kingswood or Falcon
4) Holden WB Ute - good for load carrying and circle work (not that I would do that :-) )

Sentimental choices would be
HR Holden Wagon - The car our family owned when I was a child
VH Commodore - The car I learned to drive in
Toyota Corona - My first car

My preference is for something a bit older. Say 1970 to 1983

Any ideas?
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Follow Up By: Stu & "Bob" - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:50

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:50
holden ute, preferrably V8.
I was getting around in a 1978 HZ V8 1 tonner when I was in the Longreach-Winton district in the mid 80's. It went everywhere.


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Follow Up By: Member - MYPRADO - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:56

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:56
Cannot go wrong with VW beetle put fatter tyres . Very light body.
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Follow Up By: pmk03 - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 08:50

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 08:50
Go the 180B - My favorite.........
Did my first trip around Aus one. As said as long as it doesn't rain should have no problems. If it does it will be fun...........
Also travelled to Corner country in an all standard VP Commodore wagon. It was dry though.
PMK
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Reply By: The Explorer - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:58

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:58
Make it a real challenge - try it with 3 x 3 litre Nissan Patrols :)

Have fun

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Reply By: landed eagle - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:12

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:12
1968 XT Falcon. I've owned 4 over the years and all were bullet proof. Fix 'em (if needed) with a rubber band and some chewy.
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Follow Up By: Road Warrior - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:42

Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 23:42
The only XT you'll find in that price range nowadays is a rusted out shell - they're highly prized these days.

Personally I'd go for an XD Falcon - preferably an early one with the cast iron head. 4 speed single rail gearbox, leaf springs in the back, jack it up a bit and it'll be sweet as.
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 00:16

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 00:16
I whent out that way in this a few years ago.
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Reply By: cycadcenter - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 00:50

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 00:50
Did a trip similar to that back in 1962 as a 10 year old with my Dad in a Peugeot 403.
Left Orange, out to Broken Hill, Wilpena Pound, up to Birdsville, Camerons Corner, Cobar and home to Orange.

Dad took the front bumper off and replaced it with some 3" pipe and made a sump guard out of 1/4" plate from the pipe to behind the gearbox.

Took the back seat out for our gear and food, a couple of drums of petrol on the roof with two spare tyres. Some tyre irons and a hand pump. a 303 rifle behind the seat and away we went..
That car on those skinny Michelin tyres would just about get you anywhere.

We had a blast, only had a couple of puntures.

I did a lot of driving out there which I thought was great as we hardly saw anyone, Back in those days if you did see someone you would stop and have a yarn and boil the billy.

I think the only 4WD we saw were a couple of Series 1 Land Rovers.

Great time.

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Reply By: The other Norm C (WA) - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 01:32

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 01:32
It should be dead easy in the dry
Take a few spares and a car fridge
Most important take beer
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Reply By: D200Dug- Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 08:05

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 08:05
A nissan Cedric ?
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 08:59

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 08:59
Its a good trip for a 2wd. We covered the same tracks in 1978 - 3 uni students in a Corolla wagon. Corolla had a sump guard, bullbar, and heavier rear springs. Still ran 12" wheels - had to gun it over the odd dune or sandy spot. No backup vehicle but had 3 guys who could push! Heres a few photos:

[img]http://www.exploroz.com/Uploads/Members/41965.625/Forum/Pic_55__TN800.jpg/img]



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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 09:02

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 09:02
This one didn't come out above
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:04

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:04
Geez..pic 4 didn't know they had coopers back then..lol
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Follow Up By: Road Warrior - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 14:32

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 14:32
Those are awesome pictures mate. Thanks for sharing them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 17:52

Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 17:52
Road warrier - yes, they are some favourite photos - it was a pretty adventurous trip back then. We were away for 6 weeks and did Camerons Corner, Innamincka, Birdsville, Marree, Arkaroola, Lake Eyre South, William Ck, Coober Pedy, Ayers Rock (dirt road) Kings Canyon (via mudmap) Alice Springs, then across to Cairns where we were stopped by floods then home.

Dave, don't think Coopers existed back then. Those tyres were one of the first steel radials - Uniroyal Steel cats. The trashed ones were pretty worn already, but it wasn't easy buying 12" tyres out bush - got an extra one at Copley and then another at Mt Isa. We used teh scissor jack as the beadbreaker and pumped up the tubeless tyres with a handpump. Needed a tube on one because of a crack in the rim.

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Reply By: loxsmith - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 13:17

Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 13:17
Here is the motorbike version (Scrapheap Ride) that has happened for the last couple of years

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636231

Ditch the support vehicles and you will have heaps more fun

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Reply By: jock001 - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:58

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:58
I drove a 504 from Ballarat, to Birdsville via the Flinders and then back home via the Cardillo Downs Road in 3 days a few years ago as a bet. Car would sit on 100kph over even the roughest roads.

Best modifications were fitting stiffer rear springs (took about an hour to change) and running 14 inch light truck tyres. This car was an unbelievable dirt road tourer and had generally plenty of ground clearance. 504's are getting pricy but there are a few good diesels around at the moment, and there are plenty of really cheap 505's that would be perfect.

I am currently setting up an eb falcon wagon for outback touring and with 215/75 15 tyres, Country Pack king springs and 5 mil spacer at the top of the coil mounts it will also have good ground clearance. You can get a lokka for the falcons which will obviously help you in soft sand. My falcon all up will cost er me under 3k and this is for a trip around australia. This will include air shocks at the back, locka and other bits and pieces to make it a dirt road weapon. A sedan has shorter wheelbase and beter articulation at the back, but the wagon holds heaps and you can sleep in it.

Another option is a renault 12 wagon. Chuck some 14 inch wheels on that and you would have a great outback tourer for 1K. They are simple and tough.

Have fun.
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Reply By: urbanus - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 13:45

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 13:45
For inspiration on what can be done, check out an old 2wd VW T2 Kombi (circa 1970s) conquering the Cape at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBXRlmnSdL0.

I remember seeing plenty of Pug 404s in the outback many years ago so should be no problem in a more modern car.
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