LC100 Auto, 4speed v 5speed
Submitted: Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 20:38
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David Jje
Hi,
I keep reading on this
forum and others that when choosing, make sure you
get the 5 speed box because it is better. I continually read the 5 speed is
smoother. Is this the only benefit?. Does the extra gear make alot of
difference?. I have the 4 speed and have towed a 2800kg van for 40000kms
and now tow a 2900kg van. When not vanning I am towing a tandem box
trailer daily that is anywhere from 1 tonne to 2 tonne depending on the day
and i hae done that for about 50000kms. The 4 speed although can seem
harsh sometimes, has never let me down. My thinking is, it must be a good
strong box. I would recommend the 4 speed to anyone. I have not driven the
5speed. It seems alot of people make this judgement without ever driving
either. Can someone please clarify the differences please and the benefits of a
5 speed over a 4speed if any?.
cheers David
Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:11
Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:11
Which motor do you have
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Follow Up By: David Jje - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:43
Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 21:43
It is the turbo diesel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:00
Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 at 22:00
There is more than one, thats why I asked
For instance I have a 2005 with a 1HD-FTE which has the 5 speed
Advantages Ratios are closer together gives better fuel consumption than 4sp
which is usually with the poverty pack and the 1HZ
Only thing is its not wise to pull a van as heavy as that in 5th gear and 3rd in the 4sp is a bit low geared to do the equiv.
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Follow Up By: David Jje - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 06:06
Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 06:06
Thanks Graham.
Mine is 2002 GXL not poverty pack. It is only in better than ideal conditions I
will tow in overdrive, as in tailwinds and downhill and even then, most times I
will stay in 3rd.My 4speed does approximately 2600 revs at 95-100kms in 3rd
gear. But i like to tow around 2400rpm which is at 90kms or just below. How
does your 5speed compare?. My fuel consumption towing 2800kg van is on
average around 17.5litres to 100kms. How does that compare with the
5speed?.
cheers David
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 09:25
Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 09:25
The 5 sp at 90 is at 2200-2300 and does about the same fuel figures.
My van weighs the same
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Follow Up By: chisel - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:47
Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:47
Graham - I see 1950rpm at 100kph in 5th. Are your figures from 4th (in 5 speed auto box) ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:47
Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:47
yes thats correct.
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 14:50
Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 14:50
Hi David,
I also have the 4 speed auto albeit in an 80 series 1HD FT.
There are often occasions when I feel another gear would be just that little bit better as far as gear selection/road speed goes. This is why I recommend anyone buying, who has the choice, go for the 5 speed auto which was only available in the 100 series from mid to late 2002 onwards and is available in most models of 100 series except the base models as far as I know.
As I said in another response about a week ago the more gears the better for towing. That is why most trucks have so many gears.
From all that I have read and heard both the 4 speed auto and the 5 speed auto are strong boxes. I have heard nothing negative about either unlike the manuals fitted to some landcruisers that have had some failures.
Cheers, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: David Jje - Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 21:26
Friday, Feb 11, 2011 at 21:26
Hi Bruce,
That is interesting. I have never felt like I needed an extra gear, just driven
the car with what it's got and not thought otherwise. Maybe if i had the 5
speed first i may have noticed the need for the extra gear. ??.
cheers David
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 15, 2011 at 18:40
Tuesday, Feb 15, 2011 at 18:40
Hi David,
Just sometimes I feel the need for an extra gear. But then as some of the mechanics have said we drive by the
seat of our pants, and every other sensory device we have. It's just that some times the revs are a little high in one gear and a little too low in another. More gears are definitely the answer otherwise they would not put so many in a formula one race car nor would they put so many in a truck. It is all about keeping the engine on the sweet spot. Which is were they perform their best work without being flogged.
Cheers, Bruce.
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Reply By: nick b - Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 17:56
Saturday, Feb 12, 2011 at 17:56
hi David I have a 100series v8 5spd auto ( i quoted 5spd is better) its when im 4wding that i find the auto good ,to be able to keep pulling back through gear when it get hard going ,much better than 4spd
on the road i dont know if it make much differance bit over 2000rev 100ks
& im 1eyed misty person but luv this car
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Follow Up By: David Jje - Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 09:27
Sunday, Feb 13, 2011 at 09:27
Thanks Nick, That would make sense. I was struggling to see the difference
as when towing they are both getteing very similar consuption figures, TD
models anyway. I dont do much full offroad driving so would not know the
difference in that applicationbut again, it would seem tomake sense.
cheers David
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