Lightforce driving lights

Hey guys, I'm new to the forum, but I'm not a 4X4er like everyone here, but I came here for some advice on driving lights.

Where I live, I do a lot of travelling on crappy country roads at night time and that unfortunately means Kangaroo's and any other suicidal wildlife which comes out of the woodwork at night time.

I'm looking at fitting either 2 or 4 driving lights to the lower grille on my Focus (or two on the upper, two on the lower), is that an OK position to use? Or should I mount them up on the upper grille just under the bonnet? I'd like to illuminate the sides of the road more than say the middle of the road a long distance away.

I'm thinking about "Lightforce 240 Blitz", are they any good?

Thanks much in advance.

- Damoo
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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:09

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:09
The Ford Focus is a rather small car and 2x 240 Blitz will look a bit strange. I would suggest a small nudge bar and 170 Striker or 180 ABR HIDs. I don't know where you will fit 4 lamps but no problem we have stock.

Send me a photo of the mounting system and I will give you further advice but I think 4x 240mm lamps is not practical.

The Focus should already have good lighting and 1 set of extra lamps will be perfect. The 170's and 180's are both adjustable from pencil to wide beam for those roo's.

These are our new 180mm HIDs.

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Regards

Derek from ABR

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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:28

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:28
Damoo I have made a GIF for you.

This shows the 240's on a Hilux superimposed on the Focus. I kept the wheel base the same for scale but am sure the Focus is not as wide as the Hilux.

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Follow Up By: CodMaster - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 02:54

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 02:54
Hmm Derek, that Prado looks very familiar!

Damoo: 240mms on the front of a Focus just looks wrong and the height of the lights seem to sit rather low too. Perhaps you should look at getting roof bars and attaching smaller spotties to that instead. It would still look weird but it will be more effective and you get dual purposes out of the setup. Though it might cost you a bit more than your proposed setup. Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Will
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Follow Up By: CodMaster - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:19

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:19
Oh, forgot to add that you should check the legality of the setup with with your states road authorities.
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Reply By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:26

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:26
If you headlights are not HID change them first, I can't see why you would want more than 2 driving lights, slowing down may be a better option.

There again a light bar might be the answer...



Do a google search for snake racing...
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Follow Up By: AGNI4x4 - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:32

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:32
Tony is that an LED light bar mounted on rack ? Any more pics ?
I just fitted an LED light to the rear for camping and not cheap but the light it throws with minimum current draw is great.
Interested in brand and of course where do you get it ?
Cheers
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:43

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 22:43
Sorry Tony, the car in the last photo is clearly visible as opposed to the first two that you can't even see the car.

I would say those photo's can't be trusted due the the amount of light on the side of the vehicle. Surely a extra long exposure was used as the focus is not to good due to camera shake.

This is a 5 second tweak with photo-shop and the car is still not visible. I would like to see a set of photos using the same camera settings for all 3 comparisons.

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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 23:00

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 23:00
Look what happens when we adjust the car so it looks similar on both photos.

Yes the light bar is lighting up the road but not as advertised.

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 23:45

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 23:45
I have nothing to do with Snake, Light Bars or the testing and photographs.

I just responded to the question asked.

Agni4x4
Snake racing advertise as the distributer of the light bar. There are plenty of clips on youtube.


Do a search on google for led lightbars and there are many suppliers.

Yes they are pricey compared to normal lighting.
However the initial question of 4 x HID and the light bar is a feasible option, not as bigh as 4 x Spotlights and will not restrict the radiator as much.

Derek,

As for the photos used, I believe that these were done by a 4WD certain magazine and any enhancements is no supprise to me...

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 23:51

Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 23:51
opps, fat fingers,

that is not as BIG as 4 x spotlights..

Derek, nice graphics by the way.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 06:47

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 06:47
Derek is right.

Also look at the double page spread in each 4wd Action. They claim in the text that the ONLY light in the photo is the LED light bar. However if you look at the photo you can see that there is the light bar, the driving lights and headlights AS WELL AS the photoshopped light beam of the light bar.

Light bars are no where near as bright what Snake racing advertise and their photos are clearly fake. They should be held up for false advertisitng.

Back on the OP. A pair of HID driving lights will outshine 2 pairs of any Halogen. You can even get 70 W upgrade globes for driving lights or high beam now which are awsome.
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Follow Up By: dereki - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:42

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:42
From the DISCLAIMER section at the bottom of the snake racing web site...Be careful.

All products mentioned on this web site are for off road use only. We recommend checking with the transport authority in your state and obtaining a engineers report for all modifications that are carried out. It is also in your best interest to check with your insurance company that they will still cover your vehicle for any modification you intend on performing.

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Reply By: Muntoo - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:58

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:58
Hey Damoo,

Firstly mate for what you want, disregard the Lightforce altogether. They are spots mate, you are after some spread, not narrow spot beams. And dont believe the claims of being able to unscrew light and go from spot to spread. Pure garbage, it just makes a mess of the light. Lightforce are great for long distance spot beams though.

If you were to fit LED lights mate then you will wanna go with Vision X, they are the best in LED lightbars.

Depending on your budget mate, it will depend on what lights i would recommend. But they would be a spread beam type light. There are some good value lights out there and then there are some crap high priced lights. For your car i would probably go for something around the 170mm-210mm size. And if you really wanted to fit 4 then you would have some serious light in front of you. As you dont really need the most heavy duty lights available, you could get away with some good cheap lights.

I reckon the Narva 175, Hella 1000 or the Nite Stalker 170 would fit the bill beautifully and all can be converted to HID if you wish in the future. The Hella and the Nite Stalkers would be my pick. Nite Stalkers are around $140 on ebay/supercheap and the Hellas about $220, but make sure you get the free form new style with H1 globe.

These lights outperform everything in the $200-$400/pair category. And with a HID kit go extremely well. If you went 4 of these lights try and get 3 spread and 1 spot, or at least 2 spread, 2 spot. And have the spot on the right handside of car as its best practice to have the spot beam shining down the road right in front of your eyes.

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Follow Up By: CodMaster - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:11

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:11
I'm not completely sold on these light bars. I like the concept but are they legal to use on the road? Reading the fine print, the manufacturer (rigid industries) states that they are for off road use. Also, don't the ADRs state something about vehicle lights having to be installed in pairs? Would be nice if someone could clear this up as I'm keen on building my own set of HID slayers!

Cheers,
Will
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Follow Up By: Tim - Friday, Feb 25, 2011 at 08:45

Friday, Feb 25, 2011 at 08:45
In relation to the legalities, in NSW (specifically schedule 2 of the Road Transport (Vehicle registration) Act....
Headlights should be in pairs where practicable however a vehicle may be fitted""with a spot light".
I think the big issue here is the lights being symetrical for oncoming vehicles. Now being high beam obvioulsy they are dimmed anyway.
Taking the legislatin into account, I don't think there would be any issues.
Tim
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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:43

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:43
This is my own personal choice on my vehicle. I found the pencil beam was too narrow for my type of driving.



Regards

Derek from ABR
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:52

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:52
Here is a GIF I made for pradopoint when we were discussing the shadow made by the ARB bars.

It shows the shadows but you can also see the difference between pencil and wide beams as I had a mixed pair at the time. I now use 2x wide beam and find they are the best for me as they light up the sides of the road as well as projecting a beam about 1km down the road. My experience with roo's is that they jump out right in front of the car.



Regards

Derek from ABR
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:06

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:06
3 Things come to mind here. Firstly it is apparently illegal to retrofit HID bulbs into existing headlights unless they are auto leveling and have washers on them..

Also roof bar lights are illegal ON THE ROAD. In most states they are supposed to be covered and only used off road.

Lastly the height of them above the bonnet could get you into trouble as it interferes with the drivers view and once again in most states there are restrictions on impediments to drivers view.

EG no aerials with a diameter of more than 75mm, so I guess a pair of 240's above the bonnet line might get their attention.

Saw a thread a week or so ago where the gendarmes were hauling trucks up and giving tickets for stuff on the dashboard restricting view.

Navigators are another thing Only fools stick them at eye height on a windscreen.

My experience with Roos is that they seem to dive out close to the car anyway so seeing nothing for a K or so wont help if he dives out 100m away. Too late she cried.

LOL

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Reply By: HGMonaro - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:39

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:39
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Follow Up By: HGMonaro - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:39

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:39
what you need
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Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:41
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Reply By: ben_gv3 - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:07

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:07
One thing to keep in mind re: HID vs LED lightbar.

HID's are generally for long distance driving whereas LEDs are really good for spread. So for what you want I would think LEDs are the better option.

Incidently I have a pair of Nightstalker 180's on my GV - 1 spot 1 spread and would've preferred 2 spreads as my country driving tends to be at night in the hills.
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Reply By: Member - michael H (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:19

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:19
Hi Damoo

I have a set of Lightforce 170's spot and flood on my bull bar and a Rigid 20inch light bar mounted on roof rack.
The lightforce show a great distance in front but the Leds light up your peripherals and for my money Led bar on a single roof rack might be something to look at.
But be sure that the spread is not directed at the bonnet.
Security of the lights bar from theft is another problem which is why mine is up so high.

Cheers Michael
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Reply By: Damoo - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:08

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:08
Thanks for the replies guys, I didn't realise the 240s where so big, I just thought it had a bigger number than everything else means its "better" haha.

I don't want to convert the headlights to HIDs as its illegal here in Victoria, as my car isn't fitted with auto levelers and washers for the headlights, I like the setup on the Rally Focus just above, something like that would be epic.

Also thanks for clearing up spot lights against wide beams, I will go the widebeams.

With HID widebeam lights, would they be illegal, I don't want the wanky purple ones though, something usable. I'm OK with halogen lights, should I go for something with a H1 globe?

I use an awesome light in my headlights called Phillips Xtreme Power +80, I found they do make a big difference in the 2 cars I've fitted them in, they also make them in H1 so they would be fitted into the driving lights also if I go halogens.

If 4 is way too much (even in a smaller light?), I'm happy to go 2 really good ones :)

I think these are the ones we fit to the ambulances we build at work, they're only 55W Halogens, but it'd be like having two or 4 extra headlights wouldn't it?

http://db.hella.com.au/cgi-bin/catalogue.pl?flcmd=preview&flmaint=753

Thanks much for the advice, replies and suggestions.
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Follow Up By: Damoo - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:10

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:10
Also sorry for the double post but I still haven't come up with a mounting system, I'm going to talk to the fabricators at work to see what they think would be the best way to do this.

I'll show you the front of my car:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ford-lv-focus-tdci_4a.jpg

I was thinking just below the number plate, or like the Rally Focus.
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Follow Up By: Damoo - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:14

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:14
http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_detail.asp?prod=160

Those are the lights I fit to all my cars
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:14

Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:14
I use those bulbs too. Very good value.
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Reply By: Wilko - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 19:25

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 19:25
Hi Damoo,

I like the 170 lightforce. For the price you get a good solid driving light. Sure you can get brighter and you pay for them but unless your scared of the dark, Theyll do you just fine.

cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Mark Howlett - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 20:53

Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 20:53
Damoo,

I have the Lightforce 240's on our Prado. Originally I just had the clear covers and as mentioned above they're awesome down the road but bugger all light to the side. Then I put one combo cover on (mix of spot/spread) and this improved but then I put another combo cover one. The result now is a light I find hard to fault. The spot given out by the combo covers is still more than I need and the spread is great.

In comparison, I have 4 little lights on my Triton. A set of Nite Stalker 160's with a spot and spread and another pair that are both spreads (Don't know the brand). These 4 don't come close to the Lightforce ones.

For your Focus I would look at the Lightforce 170's (or 140's if they look too big) and put either 2 combo covers on as I have done, or one spot and one spread. In the 170 size you can get a pure spread cover not offered in the 240 size. These 2 options will probably throw a similar light.

When some cash comes to hand I'm going to ditch my 4 little ones and stick the 170's on.

Mark.
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:21

Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:21
sorry if this has already been mentioned but I lost interest when everyone started going off track from your question :)

Lightforce are good but I would say these are an overkill for your car. Also to take into account is the way lightforce have their covers there is a bright light rim around the edges which is very annoying (not sure if newer models have fixed this).
OK if they are out of sight but I would guess you would see these lights on your car.

Cheers,
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Reply By: Damoo - Monday, Feb 28, 2011 at 18:41

Monday, Feb 28, 2011 at 18:41
http://img37.imageshack.us/i/frontcar.jpg/

Theres the photo of the front of my Focus, see above the number plate, I'd like to mount either 2 or 4 170mm driving lights up there.

Oppinions?
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