JERRY CANS and Plastic containers for diesel
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iijmartin
Hi, has anyone heard of problems when using plastic jerry cans or ute back plastic diesel containers for storing diesel and then the diesel being used in the new common rail diesel engines?
I want to carry extra diesel without going to the expense of a fitted larger fuel tank.
I am towing a van but don't intend going on rough roads.
What is the consensus? Metal or plastic jerry cans?? pros and cons?
Furthermore, for those generator owners where and how do you store your gennie petrol? Back of the d/cab? Van front boot or tunnel boot?
Thanks, Ian
Reply By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 00:25
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 00:25
Hi Ian
If it is a plastic formulated for diesel how can there be any problem with the diesel?
Because our F250 had one only 260 litre diesel tank, we were concerned that we would be stranded if we got a hole in the tank, so purchased a 55 litre plastic auxiliary tank to mount on the tray. We have this plumbed in so we had the option of using it to add to the main tank, or we could switch off the main tank and use direct from the tray mounted tank. These tanks come in a number of different sizes and shapes.
What is the distance you travel on your present tank. If taking regular routes, purchasing is not usually a problem, and carrying a load to avoid higher prices may not be all that cost effective.
We carry our genny and a two 10 litre plastic petrol jerry cans in a purpose built box on the a-frame. This keeps the petrol smell away from the interior of the caravan and of the car.
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: iijmartin - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 06:00
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 06:00
Hello Motherhen,
Only have the standard Navara D40 tank, so was thinking of buying a tub mounted 60L tank. Have looked at a few on ebay . With these ones , how do you know they are suitable for use with diesel? Where did you source yours from?
Haven't bought gennie yet. It will go in side door of front boot. Do you get much petrol smell from the fuel in the gennie getting inside the vans?
Thanks for your advice.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:49
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:49
Hi Ian; ours is red for diesel or petrol. It took quite a bit of research to find out where to get them, and of course we wanted good quality. The one we got was from the
Dolium products range, and was purchased from an Opposite Lock franchise store (our nearest 4wd accessory store who we have received good service from over the years). They came in a number of sizes and shapes. We chose 55 litre in the end as it was really only needed for emergency use and we were trying to keep the load down. My husband made a plywood box to keep it safe and sound when on the loaded ute back.
We use yellow 20 litre diesel only cans for diesel on the
farm and these are quite thin and have poor lid sealing (maybe because we bought cheap ones from Super Cheap on line).
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: iijmartin - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 22:33
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 22:33
Thanks Motherhen, I will
check the tanks out on their website.
All the best, Ian
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:37
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:37
Ian
We have plastic and metal Jerry cans, and prefer plastic.
Did the Canning,
Gibb River Road, and The
Kimberley, and Wolfe Creek Crater..
Cannot get any rougher than that.
Never a problem !.
Best part is they have their own internal filler nozel, and you never have to worry about rinsing, and or getting a dirty filler.
Cheers
Bucky
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Follow Up By: iijmartin - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 06:05
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 06:05
Thanks Bucky,
I have a couple of jerries with the internal filler nozzles for
farm use. They are good. Do you reckon that there are plastic jerries that are tougher/better made/thicker than others?
Cheers, Ian
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Follow Up By: malleefowl - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 19:53
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 19:53
Hi Bucky,
Doing Anne Beadell,CSR,Tanami in July.Need to carry 4x20litres.Would need to use Tanami pump for tran sfer probably best with steel cans?Only need to do twice but have to carry in floor rear pass area.Do you still recommend plastic?
Cheers,
Mary
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Follow Up By: Gobumpy - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 22:17
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 22:17
Mary
you can get tanami style pumps for the plastic ones with screw on lids
Scott
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:33
Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:33
Guy's
We have "el cheepo" red ones from Big W and they work
well
The real good thicker ones, do not fit in the spaces on the camper
Cheers Bucky
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Reply By: Dion - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:34
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:34
Ian,
what material is the fuel tank on your D40 made from? The OEM tanks on both my RA Rodeo's are plastic, although both have been replaced with long range tanks, so both are now steel.
I have been using the black Rheem jerry cans for my diesel, and have not come across any problems. I had also purchased one of the yellow 'diesel' only jerry cans, I think from either Kmart or Big W, and that one I'd be nervous about taking off road, it appears to be a different plastic to the black Rheem ones, and not as
well made, but it will do for running up and down the black top and minor/short off road trips.
cheers,
Dion.
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Follow Up By: iijmartin - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:24
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:24
Thanks Dion and Peter, seems the Rheem are the tougher one.
Cheers, Ian
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:15
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:15
Hi Ian
Providing that the fuel containers are made for fuel use and have this imprinted on the container, you will have no problems. I have even seen some 'yellow' type fuel containers stamped 'Diesel' on them.
I have been using plastic type approved containers for over 14 years and the containers are still as good as the day I purchased them. I prefer plastic, as they are more robust and years ago I had problems with metal jerry cans leaking and the coating inside the metal cans flaking off.
Also a number of years ago, one of Australia's car manufacturers went to plastic and showed how they could drop a 60 litre fuel tank, both plastic and metal from a reasonable height. The results were as expected, the metal tank split open with all fuel lost, while the plastic bounced and was a good as before it was dropped.
Just my thoughts.
Cheers
Stephen
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Follow Up By: iijmartin - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:26
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:26
Good point Stephen, I am glad that some else had the same experience with the old metal jerries and the peeling internal coating. That metal jerry is gathering dust on the shed wall!!
Regards,
Ian
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:57
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:57
As most people have at least implied, if you get good quality containers designed for fuel use you should not have any problems.
Most of the comment has been about plastic and I will not contradict anything that has been said about them.
But in defence of the humble metal jerry can I have been carrying diesel in metal jerries for 15 years without a problem. I also have another metal jerry can that I use for mower fuel. I have no idea how old it is but at least 20 years and again I have never had a problem.
If you look at my first paragraph you will note that I said 'good quality'. That applies whatever the container is made of. I believe that more than what they are made of will determine your degree of satisfaction.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: dbish - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:16
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:16
Hi Dunk, I to have 12 old 20Liter rheem steel jerry cans now over 30yrs old & are used for storing petrol. Never have i had any problem with the internal coating flaking. But ive had plenty of trouble with plastic containers leaking around the caps on very hot days & distorted container.
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Reply By: Honky - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:58
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:58
My personal experience is the lids fail more often on a plastic fuel can.
When you screw the lids on tight, they come loose again.
It might just be the crappy ones supercheap sell but they leaked diesel in the back of my van.
The double lid ones are even worse.
At least you can get new seals for the metal ones but you cannot fix a cross threaded or one that does not tighten up.
Honky
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Reply By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:16
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:16
Ian,
amongst my 8 or 9 jerry cans I have 2 metal ones stamped 1951 (just older than me)which are the ones I mainly use. Have been used extensively from when rallying in the early 70's until now for both petrol and diesel.
I have a couple from the late 70's that have suffered from flaking paint lining. I also have 2 black rheem plastic cans that came with my camper trailer.
I dont like the US style metal cans with screw in lids at all. they leak and the need to carry the screw in pourer spout is a pain.
I find I prefer the metal containers as they can be carried easier on their spines with filler up.
I would not carry a plastic jerry that way.OK standing but not laying down .
my 2cents worth
cheers
Howard
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Follow Up By: iijmartin - Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:45
Wednesday, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:45
Thanks for your input Howard,
I too have had problems with plastic jerry cans lying on their side.
Cheers,
Ian
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Follow Up By: petesgq - Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:44
Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:44
Howard,
I primarly run 10 to 12 Metal jerry cans, all ex- military, most pre 1965,
some are on the roof rack and some in the trailer, I did have to place a thin rubber matt on the roof rack to stop the paint scrathing off. They are great because of the speed pour attachement or i sphion off the roof. They are zero leaks laying flat on there sides. The modern rheem jerry's are no where near the quality of the older ones and the do have the internal red paint liner flaking problem as
well.
I dont think you will see any plastic container still going 35 to 60 years down the track with zero leaks
Regards peter
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Reply By: Member - Heather G (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:24
Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:24
Hi Ian,
We carry extra diesel in yellow plastic jerry cans bought from Bunnings, labelled 'Diesel' and have done so for the past three years. We have travelled over some dirt and corrugated roads without any problems but haven't been on anywhere like the Gibb RR.
We have a D40 Navara so often carry 1 or 2 X 20 litres because of the fuel consumption when towing our 2 1/2 tonne van.(less than 400kms on a full tank in head winds). We had a look at getting the long range tank fitted and decided against it because of the space it takes up, and the expense.
Fuel for the Navara, the tinnie and the generator are carried in the back of the dual cab, along with boat motor so we don't have problems with fumes.
Regards,
Heather G
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Follow Up By: iijmartin - Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:28
Thursday, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:28
Hello Heather, we too have similar Navara with new Crusader on its way. I think I will go the same way and store in jerry cans in back of the dual cab canopy.
Cheers,
Ian
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