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kharn
what to do, after a trip to alice on central road the locals at say all the water holes are polluted and
quondong trees are gone what can be done to save the water for the local species should they be culled,i saw to many camels to count.seems like a big issue for the future that is being swept under the mat.
Reply By: SDG - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 00:50
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 00:50
I seem to remember reading somewhere they are being culled. They round them up and I think they were being turned into dog food.
The slaughter of camels for human consumption commenced at
Alice Springs in the 1980s.
The Conservation Commission of the Northern Territory detailed aerial survey in 1994 over the southern half of the NT indicated a
population of approx. 60,000 camels. The 2001 survey by the Northern Territory Parks & Wildlife Commission has estimated the present feral camel
population in the Northern Territory to be in excess of 200,000. The likely Australian
population is now 600,000.
As an alternative to Government controlled culling programs, CACIA has developed markets for trade in live camels and camel meat.
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Reply By: Mick O - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 08:34
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 08:34
They are a real problem Kharn. There are a couple of previous threads on the problem here;
US camel cull comments
and here
Outback Camel Population.
The damage I have seen them wrought in the remote outback areas of the interior is beyond belief.
Cheers Mick
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Reply By: GrumpyOldFart - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:03
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:03
They also come into the communities, when it's dry, looking for water. They cause damage to taps (kicking them to get water) and have been known to prise evap airconds off walls!
Worse is when they are near our airfields as the RFDS or our weekly mail plane is expected. We have to drive them off so the stupid things don't run on the strip!
I have been told that in drought they eat a poisonous bush out here. Whilst it doesn't kill them it renders their meat unfit for anything, even dog meat. We had camel shooters in our community that used to send 4 or 5 tonne of meat a fortnight to
Perth. But their contract got cancelled and they left.
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Follow Up By: GrumpyOldFart - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:08
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:08
I forgot to add
They also have this nice habit of sleeping on the roads!!!
Imagine rounding a bend at night to find several half asleep camels trying to get up and move from this strange noise approaching them. Always carry spare underware or just don't drive at night.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 13:17
Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 13:17
Hi GOF, and catapult in front of you as you drive, hence the damage to a good quality caravan we saw at
Alice Springs. We never drive at night in camel country; they are bad enough at running out and stopping in front of you even in the daylight.
While i think camels are the most amazing animals in what they can provide; milk, meat, hair for fabric, leather, pack animals etc, they are in plague proportions over a huge area of inland Australia and doing untold damage.
Mh
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:08
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:08
Gidday
I suppose it all comes down to Government (state and federal) attitude to the environment. It camels were a threat to agriculture or ate iron ore, there would be a bounty on them. There are no votes in protecting remote Australia from camels. And no votes means no action.
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:52
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:52
Bazooka
I used the word "agriculture" advisedly. I know they cause damage on the pastoral properties but the pastoralists don't seem to have much clout with the pollies, at least not here in WA. When they start trampling the wheatfields we might see something done.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 13:49
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 13:49
Point is Rocco something IS being done as the links explained clearly.
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 14:14
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 14:14
Bazooka
I post in haste and repent at leisure ... I guess i guessed at what your point was and I guess I guessed wrong. The key of course will be whether this program is ongoing after the initial period.
Cheers
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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 21:09
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 21:09
They appear to be even worse in WA than in the NT. With numbers of feral camels estimated at over a million, the number is doubling every eight years. They eat most types of the desert vegetation and compete with native animals for this food supply. They are damaging water holes wells and station stock troughs.
The significant damage that camels have done and are doing to fragile ecosystems, cultural sites, isolated communities, and pastoral properties has gone largely unnoticed by the bulk of Australia’s
population because of the sparse
population in these remote areas.
Culls are not big, and cost is huge. Hardly viable to transport as pet meat from the remote areas where they abound.
Feral Camels
Note the map showing their range.
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 00:51
Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 00:51
Apart from the cost of culling/shooting, which is significant, there is the other issue, and that is the same issue that is trying to ban "Mulesing".
It's called Animal cruelty by those who have no damn idea of what creulty actually is.
Sheep dying through fly strike and camels dying through lack of feed in their "normal" range. Now that's cruelty!
Culling camels is necessary and, like Mulesing, if done properly is not cruel or inhumane.
Thus speaks one who is not averse to blasting Kookaburra's out of my back yard with a shotgun. They don't belong in the SW of WA either.
Now I duck!!!
Disco.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 13:25
Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 13:25
I'm with you on all those points Disco.
Also think of the cruelty of to our native animals, with many inland small marsupials facing extinction. Camels browse much higher than our native animals can reach, denuding the scrub, and causing starvation for the animals who belong.
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Follow Up By: GrumpyOldFart - Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 23:18
Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 23:18
Disco
I find that a good shot with my .308cal is not cruel at all!
Judging by their reaction they never even hear it coming
Feral cats seem to go to sleep very quickly as
well
that's another nasty introduced species that our natives have no defence against
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Follow Up By: petesgq - Monday, Mar 07, 2011 at 14:01
Monday, Mar 07, 2011 at 14:01
GOF I am with you. 7.62 for anything i see that is not native whilst i travel.
But the younger daughter has bleet everythime a camel or donkey gets dropped.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Mar 07, 2011 at 16:26
Monday, Mar 07, 2011 at 16:26
kookaburras as Iconic as they are and
rainbow lorakeets as pretty as they are
are all cannon fodder as far as im concerned in WA
and camels arnt just found in the desert
we would often come accross them and their tracks around
Norseman, around kalgoorlie and as far south as the coast east of
Esperance
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Reply By: Wilko (Parkes NSW) - Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 21:13
Thursday, Mar 03, 2011 at 21:13
Hi Kharn,
I believe they should be culled ( or sold if it can be done). They are feral and doing untold damage to our environment.
Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Teraa - Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:31
Friday, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:31
I fear tha gov. money is going on meetings in the Alice and not putting men in choppers with bullets or building
infrastructure to support small local communities to process the carcass. Cause we gotta have a meeting first.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Mar 07, 2011 at 17:18
Monday, Mar 07, 2011 at 17:18
There was news recently that camel meat can be fatal to dogs because of toxins the camels pick up from grazing some native plants. Link
here.
Could be another difficulty in the way of building a pet food industry based on camels.
But no question the culling needs to continue as they do enormous damage.
Cheers,
Val
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Reply By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:00
Tuesday, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:00
Please don't send any over here, we have enough problems already with the Brush Tailed Possum.
223 head shot from a chopper should work, as it has done with a lot of Red Deer in our high country.
If they are not worth recovering the Dingos will get fat or there will be a lot of bones laying about.
But then someone will have to pay for that, the bulk of the human
population that live near the coast would not want to contribute to that, I guess.
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