Internet connected thru the phone system ADSL

Thats tomorrow DD this is a REAL question for today, bit like running 2 6mm cables to the back of the Cruiser instead of one. Although I dont think the Corona effect works for DC

Bonz, I agree with DD. I can say though it depends how many Coronas you need to have the effect, DC or AC

John, I mean the effect that is based around electron movement in a copper conductor which is mostly around the outsiode of the conductor.

Diffent to DD;s Corona effect with is alcohol related

Phil


Does that include the XXXX rated stuff.

Dont worry about that DD rubbish Phil. How do I halve the bandwidth? I am talking about the run from the Krone box to the phone outlet, which is about 8 metres, actually at that length it probably wouldnt make a difference

Dust devil (unknown name)

I have a pair of halving sheers right here. Courtesy of The Jackie Howe Incorporated. They should be fast enough to get it right the first time. I got them free when I visited them when they first opened.

Bonz

Don't bother. Such a short distance its not worth it. I am thinking that this may be a commercial installation and it may be a duplex circuit. If duplex then you will not have enough wires. You would have to run two cat 5 cables. Again don't bother.

Phil

Touche!

My thoughts also.

I want to know as much as the tech

Then start studying. I hope you are up on physics, chemistry, english, history and most of all mathematics. To be a real Electronics and Communications Technician its three years full time study at a university. I did my diploma at RMIT in Melbourne. Now if you are talking about someone who just runs network cables, then its just a few days study on how to hold a screwdriver and how to read an instruction. Anyone can run a cable.

I spent at least 40% of the 30 + years that I worked as a, up to Senior Technical Officer, to keep up with the latest technology. A technician is the one who fixes up the engineers stuff ups and makes the thing work.

I get so cheesed off when you hear that someone has the title technician and all they have done is a lousy twelve month course on Windows Networks. Or what about a tyre technician. Ha!!!!

As I said - start studying. And when you know all about fourier transforms then you can really understand how a signal passes along a pair of twisted wires and at what distance it is best to terminate the coax of your UHF antenna.

You asked for that one hey! Chuckle. Bonz, I have been waiting years to say that.

Phil

HI vk1dx,
With all due respect. My expectations of my Tyre Technician is to supply and fit the correct tyre that suits its application. I go to One place only. My reliance on well fitted tyres is parimount to my well being and safety. The person I use has a lifetime of experience.
To belital somebodys chosen field may not be your intent. In all facits of life you have those that excell at what they do.
As for the OP I too like to be well informed and the best way to do this is to ask questions.

Regards
Craig

Craig

A tyre technician does not have to study for three or four years at uni to learn how to fit tyres does he. He does not need to get a diploma or degree and then carry out self paced to fill in all, the vagaries of engineering that they did not cover at uni and then study heaps each year from then on to keep up with the latest engineering advances now does he.

That's a bit like comparing marbles with satellites.

Phil

Phil,
The point I am trying to make is that a Neurosurgeon for example may say 3yrs at Uni try 7..
In regards to marbles with satellites I suppose that depends on what one requires.
Depending on your interpretation and choice of dictionary the meaning of "Technician" fits a myriad of applications.
I have “Engineer” at the end of my title and am more than happy to call a Tyre Technician a Technician. What carries the weight is what is written before as when one is looking for somebody to fill a role that is what they look for.
It is not my title that keeps me employed.
Regardless of how long it takes to learn a trade it is how well that you apply it that earns the stature.
More than once around the office it has been said you could get rid of half the Engineers and we would still operate but without the Coffee machine Technician the office comes to a stop.. He fixes the machine and we can not does this not make him a specialist? As he has specific training to fix this device both mechanically and electronically (yes it has a board in it).

Craig

The point I am making is that the title "Technician" has become to mean nothing special. I used to be proud to say I was qualified as a technical officer and then Senior Technical Officer. Of course the pay and extras were excellent and that helped.

We were doing a lot of very specialised highly sensitive work for some government agencies who shall remain nameless and our id cards originally listed us as "Engineers". And after quite a few complaints (internal) the word was removed. And rightly so. We were not engineers. We were techs, allbeit quite senior. We were quite happy with that. Why then can someone who only does a few months course be called an Engineer. As in Customer Service Engineer. It belittled all the time and effort that you put into your degree.

We have gone overboard with titles. I worked hard over 30+ years to get to the position of Senior Technical Officer in an international aerospace company and for someone to be called one after a few months is a little annoying to say the least. And for someone to say "I want to know all a tech does" it appears that the person has not the faintest idea of how much effort it takes to become a "tech". Kind of looks like a tech purchased his qualifications at Woolies.

Now I am a Mr. Retired that is.

Phil

I noted quite a while ago both your background and your retirement. I new this from a former post where your background was used to answer question raised in a thread.
I believe a lot of titles have been derived due to the need to pigeon hole people when setting up HR and payroll databases.
With IR the way it is we also need to sit somewhere in the scheme of things. For example a Vehicle Mechanic is a rarity they are now called automotive technician and do not have the same skill set.
On saying this I stand by what sits in front as what carries the weight.
Electronics and Communications Technician.
Coffee Machine Technician.
It is obvious who has had the more intensive training.

This conversation is not dissimilar to one I have had many a time regarding apprentices. When my grandfather left school you were indentured to a company and at times paid for your training. In my day, 4 yrs and paid,
Today 2 years and an employer needs a very good reason not to sign you off.

Yet all are Tradesmen.

Regards
Craig

So a Associate Diploma in Electrical Engineering, is about the same??

Sorry Bonz.

Whats your point?

I was responding to comment about a Tyre Technician. Any diploma would leave the so called "technicians" these days for dead. And that's why they should NOT be called technicians.

Phil

Craig

Too right I am a tradesman. And proud of my study achievement. I gather that you may also be the same.

What would engineers do without us. We who fix their errors and make the bludger, I should say their design, work.

Phil

you said this Phil ....

vk1dx posted:
Then start studying. I hope you are up on physics, chemistry, english, history and most of all mathematics. To be a real Electronics and Communications Technician its three years full time study at a university. I did my diploma at RMIT in Melbourne.

And I did MY three year assoc diploma at Collingwood Tech and RMIT.

Wasnt having a go at tyre techs or anything else ... you two guys can slog that out

Alls I was saying is that I have done the course, physics chem and maths, and now I understand that twisted wire stuff mate. Wouldnt mind catching up with you one day I reckon we'd have a heap to talk about.

All the best

Bonz

Bonz

I had a ball. Thoroughly enjoyed the work and was luck enough to have my own team in the end. Visit, design and implement a complete analogle and also later digital site from zip to operational.

And the blues I used to have with the young engineers straight out of uni. You would enjoy being on the side. A lot of theory with nothing between the ears. Do you know the type? But a years or so later they were a good member of the team.

Tis enough guys. Have a good day.Check this trip out:Just a smidgin on something we splurged on

And I shall leave you to it.

A good chat.

Phil

Double it? I thought two resistances in parallel halved it?

Hmm I have filters on the lines but yes the buzz is there now. Better arrange one of these gizmo's

Thats the issue I have also from upgrading to ADSL2.
I have not got around to fitting a Central Splitter either as yet.
The small ones that Telstra supply don't fix the issue I even tried to double them up as was suggested on the web after a Google search of the problem.
Its a change in line frequency that causes the issue if my memory serves me??

Geoff, do a search using ADSL Line noise and a few variations thereof and have a read.

Thanx John, I will google that. I got onto a central splitter that should arrive here next week

Hi Allan,

I often get a similar problem, a time out problem I think and lose the connection momentarily. I am on satellite.

What I do in those situations I use the back space key to go back to the page I was writing on and copy that which I had just written and then open up the reply page or whatever and paste my words into it.

Hope this helps you in the future.
Got to be smarter than the average computer.

Cheers, Bruce.

I think it's some sort of time out thing Allan.

So just do as Bruce suggested or copy it before you submit it

Hi Bruce, I did try back-step but it had gone! Its now circling the galaxy forever.

And Dust Devil, yes I did "copy" the second effort as insurance. But surely I do not need to do that for every transmission on this forum?

Allan

The trick is to tick the Auto Logon box at bottom of Logon frame.

You've had a great night tonite mate hahahaha

Exactly what I reckoned Robin, was a great thread for info though, and old Dusty got wound up and thats always a bonus.