A Frame towing

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Does anyone know if you can tow a landcruiser on an a frame?
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 07:52

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 07:52
You can using a certified A frame and the necessary connections to activate brakes and lights on the cruiser. It would want to be a fair sized truck or motorhome doing the towing though.
We met a couple last year in SA towing a fully kitted out 79 series(it was a travelling rig in its own right with slideon camper etc) on an A frame behind a big motorhome.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 08:16

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 08:16
Hi Peter,
I would imagine that there would not be a lot of difference between a 2.3 tonne cruiser or a 2.3 tonne caravan being towed.

I would have no hesitation towing a cruiser on a car trailer behind my 80 series.
All up weight would make me illegal, I would think, but the cruiser would cope no problems.

Just a thought
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:35

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:35
Bruce
I was thinking more of the legal angle and remember that most Landcruisers rarely weigh anywhere near the tare weight especially with a/c, bullbar and towbar fitted.
I also forgot to add that you shouldn't flat tow anything that doesn't have a neutral position in the transfer case, not sure about the constant 4wd 80 and later cruisers either.
Also the ignition has to be in accessory position to free the steering ;-)))
There is a good section on the CMCA forum re A frame towing, also some horror stories when the vehicle is left in gear and the engine is destroyed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 13:23

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 13:23
Hi Peter,

So long as the vehicle being towed is within the legal limit of the towing vehicle I cannot see a problem.

However you raise an extremely valid point with regard to flat towing a 4 wheel drives.

This is why most vehicles A frame flat towed are suzukis as there are very few 4 wheel drives that satisfy the criteria you mention, especially in the small 4X4 range, apparently.

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Reply By: Member - Tony (ACT) - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 07:59

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 07:59
I seem to remember from quite a few years ago, "A" framing a Willys Jeep to southern Vic. It was ok through NSW, but in Vic someone had to be in the towed vehicle,

Now this should have changed, bit its worth while checking the various state regs on the matter.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:27

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:27
There are most probably a whole bunch of legalities that must be looked at but the first two I can think of are lights and brakes.

How would you get the brakes, parkers, indicators and brake lights to work from the towing vehicle?

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 13:16

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 13:16
Hi Phil,
I have seen a certified A frame when I was steying in a park at Mingo Crossing near Mt Perry back in June last year.

The brakes were applied via an over ride set up with a cable working the brake pedal. This would have worked the brake lights. The blinkers were setup via a Hella plug and I am sure that the main lights are worked in the same plug.

It was engineer certified and it was made from light wall RHS from what I could see, and I had a very very close look at it as my bother has a motor home and is going to tow his Zook Vitara behind it. We will most likely make one up ourselves and get it inspected by an engineer just as we are doing with his imported motor home which we have converted from right hand drive to left hand drive.

I was thinking of devising a method of working the brakes electronically but have not as yet put enough thought into it to come up with a solution.

I think what most A frame towed vehicles need is a breakaway safe unit set up in them. That is what we will aim for.

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 13:29

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 13:29
Exactly. They need to get all this done properly and legally. I do not think you can just drop into woollies and buy one.

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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:29

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:29
Julia,
We saw a Kia Sorrento being towed on an A-frame behind a Winnebago motor home on the Hume Hwy going south last Saturday. Both had NSW registration and were quite new so it is obviously legal here. I think it will only be a matter of getting the correct towing rig and having the necessary relative weights between the two vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 13:33

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 13:33
Hi Alistair
From what I am led to believe A frames were not approved in NSW until a short while ago. I was told that if someone out of state had one on then they were automatically pulled over and asked for their engineers certificate. So I was told.
May not be true.

If that was the case then probably in the face of so many vehicles coming across the border using the A frames for flat towing the authorities saw the writing on the wall and relented. Either way it is a win for NSW as they are now legal providing they are engineer certified.

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Reply By: aussiedingo. (River Rina) - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:49

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:49
G'day, this link may be a start


http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/LBU_VS_B_AFrameTowing.pdf

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Reply By: Member - peter f (VIC) - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 17:54

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 17:54
make sure its not automatic , can,t tow them unless you disconnect
the rear tailshaft because there,s no lubrication for the transmission .
mechpete
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 19:11

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 19:11
Landcruisers have a transfer case which you put into neutral. Auto trans doesn't matter.

Or have I missed something????
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Reply By: Member - Tezza Qld - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 19:36

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 19:36
I'd check with Toyata.
I'm sure that they would do a frame for them.
Most Toyatas ,especially Landcruisers require towing or carrying during their short lifetime so I'm sure there would be a frame as a original part . LOL.

Sorry , Had a big day working on my Nissan.

Cheers Teza
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Reply By: ob - Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 21:09

Monday, Apr 04, 2011 at 21:09
Most modern vehicles have power assisted disc brakes. Applying the brakes by operating the brake pedal in the towed vehicle could be achieved by either mechanical or electronic means but how would the power assistance be useful without the engine of the towed vehicle running or a vacuum pump of some sort being added. As anyone who has tried to brake a vehicle when the power assist is disabled knows the brakes are next to useless in this situation.

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Reply By: juliaharwood - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:57

Tuesday, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:57
Thanks everyone, The one we have is continuos 4WD so can't do it apparently. We will look for a different vehicle that we can A Frame and sell the cruiser.
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