damned nomads

Submitted: Sunday, Apr 17, 2011 at 21:23
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why do the nomads dump all their rubbish in a local club's rubbish bin instead of the tip. is the costs to much? I am sick of not being able to throw out the rubbish at my local club because of the bin being full by the freeloaders who are to tight to spend a dollar(lol) to get rid of their rubbish.
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Sunday, Apr 17, 2011 at 21:58

Sunday, Apr 17, 2011 at 21:58
Well, just from personal experience , when I went to the dump in Derby, there were signs all over the place saying local residents only. I went down the Darling River Road to Menindee and there were big quarantine signs but no bins!

I think many councils are schizophrenic. They want tourists but do not provide any bins for tourists and make it bloody difficult to park with no signs to caravan and trailer parking. When they do have bins they seem to hardly ever empty them.
Why not a sign on the directory that many towns have on how to dump rubbish and oil and recyclables. I cannot recall ever seeing that.

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Follow Up By: Member - Burra - Sunday, Apr 17, 2011 at 22:29

Sunday, Apr 17, 2011 at 22:29
thanks for a reply.

where i am talking about is beside a lake and just down the road from a c/p.
also the council has not renewed our bins to the current stanard.
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Reply By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 05:05

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 05:05
Hi Burrra
Some people just don't think (rubbish dumpers that is)

I have come across countless drums way out in the loneliest spots in the desert, hundred of kms from anywhere, with rubbish tied up in neat bags in them. Its almost as if the dumpers think,
"Oh this is a bin the council will come and get it!"

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Reply By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 07:27

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 07:27
A simalar issue is the rubbish that is dumped by the ton in the bush. Not only food and drink wrappers and containers but household rubish bags and trailer loads of old cars, whitegoods, asbestos etc.
Took my kids out for a drive near Moore River yesterday and was appauled by what had been dumped. My six year old daughter was extreamly upset and lost as to why somebody would dump rubbish in our bush.
My solution and more relivant to this thread. Put our rates up $100 a year and a leavy on the dole and make tip entry FREE. This would stop morons from dumping and help out our visitors by giving them somewhere to put ther rubbish.
As for dumpers. The fine should be the cost to send out a truck to remove the rubbish and return full, as the truck could then be utilised to fill up on what else is around at there cost.

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Follow Up By: Wilko (Parkes NSW) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 07:44

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 07:44
In Parkes the tips is "free" (nothing is free) but you dont have to pay when you go there. I believe this is the way to go. If it cost money to dump rubbish, most people would (take out identifiable items) and dump it where they please (bush, dumpster ect).

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Follow Up By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:45

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:45
Hi Wilko,
I totally agree.
The rubbish that has been dumped around Perth is beyond belief.

Craig
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:46

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:46
free tips are not the answer

Kalgoorlie had a free tip, after hours skips out the front of the tip and several cummuinity skips spread throughout town and still people dumped rubish around the pistol club i used to caretake Busted one moron and from my "conversation" with him it was clear he was hell bent on dumping rubish no matter what

its the person not the problem
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig F (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:54

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:54
I agree thats why I belive the fine should become part of the solution. If caught they pay to clean up how many cubic meters the truck can hold.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:10

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:10
Rubbish disposal is a problem everywhere, regardless of whether you are travelling or not. Tip fees are mostly set way too high and that encourages some to dump along roadsides, in the bush etc. And some disgusting "people" just dont care it seems.

When you are travelling how do you know where the tip is? Its often hidden away on the outskirts of the town somewhere. Councils would do themselves a favour by making sure that there were well signposted and maintained rubbish bins along main roads for tourists to use. And signs giving directions to recycling facilities - how many of us do our own oil changes as we travel and are then faced with the problem of where to get rid of the old oil?

And as tourists we can all do our bit by keeping our rubbish to a minimum.

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Follow Up By: Road Warrior - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:56

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:56
Yes the real problem these days is the rubbish dumping anywhere. Roadsides, bush, beaches, wherever, people just don't seem to care these days. I get quite annoyed by it.
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Follow Up By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 14:12

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 14:12
Agree with all said about dumping in the bush but on one occasion I had a bit of a windfall.While out hunting I found two 5 stud Troopy split rims complete with 235/85/16 Toyo tyres with about 80% tread.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:16

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:16
"When you are travelling how do you know where the tip is?"
Simple. While you're filling up with fuel at the local servo you ask.

My issue is people have room for their slabs of beer, oil & food, have no trouble carrying it thousands of KM's accross Oz but the moment it becomes rubbish it no longer can be carried & must be disposed of there & then.
A number here seem to infer the rubbish problem is somehow the council's fault because they don't have a bin provided or there are no signs . While this may be a good initiative it should in no way excuse dumpers because there was no convienient disposal site.
Lets be realistic. In the vast number of cases it's not the lack of disposal sites that is the problem. It's peoples appathy, laziness & being unprepared to carry waste (Like 2nd hand oil) that are the key issues here.
Cheers Craig.....................
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Follow Up By: roger ramjet - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 22:28

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 22:28
+ 1 for Craig.

Happy to lug the comforts of home and more around, but rubbish...eyyew! Throw it our right now !
The amazing piles of 'comfort' stuff Ive seen pulled out of caravans and RV's...and then they leave in the morning, having shoved their rubbish behind a tree/in the fire/jammed in the roadside stop bin which was already full....
I've carried my garbage for a week before finding a suitable disposal site
...not everyone is a complete pig mind you..but it doesn't take many to make a mess...
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Follow Up By: roger ramjet - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 22:30

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 22:30
oops. hit post too quick.

Looking on the bright side, at least they're throwing it in a bin. We should be thankful !
Maybe you could put a sign up directing them to the appropriate dump site?
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Reply By: wizzer73 - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:18

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:18
Just been on a recent trip to coral bay. The bins in all the parking areas inbetween perth and coral bay are full to overflowing. I think the majority of nomads do the right thing, its the backpackers in their cheap unroadworthy vans that think they are doing the right thing and have no alternative.

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Follow Up By: ross - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:56

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:56
I often talk to young backpackers,mainly from Europe,and they are some of the most enviriomentally conscious people on the planet.
Your comment about their"cheap unroadworthy vans" shows a deep and unhealthy bias along the lines that,if somebody doesnt have an expensive motorhome then they must be dirty.
The vans that were the cheapest piles of junk were rented to them by good old aussies.
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Follow Up By: wizzer73 - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 17:41

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 17:41
Hi Ross, you are reading too much into my post. I should be clearer perhaps. I have no deep and unhealthy bias towards those driving around in cheap vans and I apologise if any offence was taken. The main thing I was trying to say is "they think they are doing the right thing and have no alternative."

The backbackers keep some of those outback tourist spots and roadhouses operating so good on em!!

wizzer

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Reply By: Hairy (WA) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:28

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:28
Gday,
Id be directing your letter to your local council rather than the "Nomads".
Dumps that Ive seen are'nt real caravan friendly and not always open either.
If towns want the tourist dollar they need to supply basic amenities too.
I personal much prefer to see people use bins (even the wrong ones) rather than not use them at all.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 13:01

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 13:01
Thats my line to , good to see people using Bins at least - most people driving thru wouldn't know where the alternative is.

We have this problem often in Vic town of Dargo and they aren't often open
on holidays.
You pay high prices for supplies and I expect reasonable provision for rubbish disposals.
Fortunately this place has use big cargo containers set about 10m in off the road and at below road level.
With a good throw you can clear the fence and land a bag of rubbish right into the container.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 18:27

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 18:27
Hairy, I'm with you also!, But the issue with tips and rubbish in most states now, is a huge problem and getting worse,Councils are not totally to blame its EPA costs, Lack of a approved sites for garbage , etc, look what it costs to dump a truck load of earth fill, if they will take it!, Government departments turning a blind eye, but i know in NSW something has to be done in the very near future.


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Follow Up By: River Swaggie - Friday, Apr 22, 2011 at 00:10

Friday, Apr 22, 2011 at 00:10
"We have this problem often in Vic town of Dargo and they aren't often open
on holidays. "


Hiya Robin

When you drive past the Dargo oval near the toilets its a bloody mess sometimes,but while under one of those pine trees having a cuppa i saw a bloke pull up so i went over for a chat,the council get him to pick it all up and he has a key to the tip....

Great idea i reckon...


Need to catch up again soon will talk to Reece see if we can work something out....
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Reply By: Faulic_McVitte - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:04

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:04
Tips are often far out of town and hidden. Where do you want me to dump the bit of rubbish we have when travelling in the bush or in your local street? Bins are provided to be used and use we do so the country does not get littered. We only ever have 1/2 a shopping bag full of rubbish and dispose of it in the correct place in the rubbish bin provided for the purpose.
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Follow Up By: Life Member - esarby (NSW) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:55

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:55
If you visit Dargo and want to dispose of your rubbish. Just north of the town is a sports field with a building at the far end. That is where you can deposit your rubbish and it does not cost you a cent.


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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:28

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:28
If people only have 1/2 a bag of rubbish from the weekend why not carry it on the spare wheel then take it home rather than clog up street bins?
Cheers Craig.............
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Follow Up By: Faulic_McVitte - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 18:18

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 18:18
Don't do weekends. Talking about tripping around the countryside. Come to a town and dispose of our rubbish in the environmental way in the rubbish bin supplied. Often less than 1/2 bag depends how many days been in the bush.
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Reply By: anglepole - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:05

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:05
So, if you go through a country and stop at the local bakery and buy a pie, you should not use the local bins to dispose of the paper bag? Is that what you are saying?

If you drive in remote areas and stop a wayside stop for lunch, with toilets and rubbish bins they shouldn't they be used either? Is that what you are saying?

PS I do not have a caravan.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:37

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:37
Clearly AP it's not the handfull of rubbish in the bin that is the problem. It's people that clog up street bins with full bags of rubbish, fill up private bins to the point there is no space for their own rubbish & people who simply leave bags of rubbish at their last camp site or by the road neatly tied up like they expect someone else to come & collect it.
Cheers Craig............
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Follow Up By: Member - Burra - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 20:35

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 20:35
Thats the point,Craig.I am sick of not being able to dispose of our own rubbish because of the dumpers. As for the rubbish out in the bush,dont get me started.
Thanks for all replys.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 19:10

Monday, Apr 18, 2011 at 19:10
It appears that all the towns want tourism but havent considered the tourists need to dispose of their rubbish easily.. Its not fair they should drive out to the tip to dispose of it.. Michael


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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 00:23

Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 00:23
I have no idea which "club" you are talking about Burra, but it is true that many Councils do not consider tourists when signing their tips for locals only (or for those with a tip pass which only go to ratepayers). Is the option clear to them? Are they staying at this "club"?

What really annoys me is the number of "disposable" baby nappies dumped at roadsides and in the bush near the road. Who is doing that? The vast majority of Nomads are not travelling with babies. A lot of the rubbish is take away food packaging too - not the normal fare of the Nomad generation.

I have seen a group of European backpackers pile their bags of rubbish - lots of bulky takeaway food packets, cool drink bottles etc, beside an already overflowing bin in a free camp (they had been staying there some time when we arrived). Local Council had them evicted because of this during our stay, and after that the bin was not even filled after a few days with a lot of travelling campers coming through. They may not have been typical of the young tourists from overseas.

Many of us will look for a bin at a rest area, and if it is full, will move on without dumping. We make very little rubbish when caravanning - even less than when at home. After all, what do we have to throw out? - no mail, junk mail, not much packaging, only the odd baked beans can, plastic wrap, used tissues and flattened UHF milk cartons - about one "grocery bag" a week - now no-one should begrudge that in a Council bin.

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