Sailing on Lake Eyre Update
Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 07:58
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Member - Stephen L (Clare SA)
Hi All
Firstly thanks to all those people that responded to my post yesterday. Today's news on the radio is as follows:
National Parks are trying to get the issue resolved before the end of this week.
Local Arabunna people are calling for more Police up at Lake Eyre for the
Easter period to police the 'No Sailing' on the lake.
So you do not need a crystal ball to read between the lines and what the outcome will be.
In the mean time, a Happy
Easter break to all, and those that are travelling , drive safely. I will be on the water with my kayak, not Lake Eyre, but the River Murray.
Cheers
Stephen
Reply By: Member - Kevin J (Sunshine Coa - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:07
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:07
If SA has so much money in their budget that they can afford to send extra police all the way to the Lake to stop people floating a boat then maybe they should share the economic secrets with the rest of our Govts.
Kevin J
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:13
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:13
Hi Kevin
We do not have any spare money in the budget, like the rest of Australia. The Government at this stage are doing nothing with the extra Police, that is just what the local Arabunna people are calling for.
Cheers
Stephen
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:23
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:23
Once when I was closing down a factory in SA someone said to me that what goes around comes around Stephen.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:29
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:29
Hi Robin
Thanks for the reply, and yes very true.
Cheers
Stephen
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Reply By: Member - Jeff P (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:42
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:42
As an aside, I have a South Australian desert parks pass that I renew annually, I have just read it and nowhere does it prohibit sailing on any waterway. In fact it encourages fishing on the Cooper, walking on the Lake and enjoying the National Park. The only things prohibited are DRIVING on the lake (you'd have to be an idiot to do that any way), using local timber/scrub for fires or interfering with any physical native relics. So if I want to go and sail and have a desert park pass I have my permission I would have thought. Under English and hence Australian Common Law anything is permissible unless it is specifically banned by legislation. Anyone care to show me the legislation prohibiting me from sailing on Lake Eyre, my pass doesn't forbid it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff P (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:54
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:54
Just checked further, the National Park Regulations do however state
14—Use of boats
A person must not, without the permission of the relevant authority, launch, or use, a vessel on a
dam, reservoir, lake, river or other body of water in a reserve unless the water has been set aside by the relevant authority for the use of vessels of that kind
Bugger
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Follow Up By: Bushtrek - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:05
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:05
Have paraphrased the bulletin, but this is the offending item for you...........
"National Parks and Wildlife South Australia Outback Region
DESERT PARKS BULLETIN NO. 389
4th April 2011
LAKE EYRE NATIONAL PARK
Boating in any type of vessel is currently not permitted on Lake Eyre due to concerns raised by the Arabunna people regarding the cultural significance of the lake.
Current surface coverage is about than 80% from recent local rain. The best way to see water in Lake Eyre is still from the air. Local charters are available at
William Creek and
Marree.
Tony Magor
District
Ranger
DESERT PARKS
desertparks@saugov.sa.gov.au"
It's a great shame Parks SA have banned people going to Lake Eyre.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:22
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:22
No-one has been banned going to Lake Eyre...the facts are starting to get in the way of a good story...
Parks SA won't issue permits for people to boat on Lake Eyre until the issue with the traditional landowners is resolved. The legislation they are observing is the Aboriginal
Heritage Act, Parks SA is not responsible for the legislation, but are bound by it.
Cheers, The Landy
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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:09
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:09
Stephen,
Mate of
mine used to sail land yachts and still has two in his shed.
A few of us were talking a couple of months ago before all this stuff raised it's ugly head. We were urging him on to get them out of mothballs and try them out on Lake Eyre when it is dry. ;)
Wonder how they would be classified. LOL.
I'll be at
William Creek mid May for a couple of days and will drive out to
Halligan Bay. Did a flight over the lake in 2009 but the price has increased significantly since then.
Have fun on the river.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:56
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:56
I think you've found a loophole Richard. A land yacht is neither a boat nor a motor vehicle & they would have a bit of trouble pulling you over too :-)
Cheers Craig...............
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 20:59
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 20:59
Hi Richard
Lets get this one sorted out. It sounds like it could be very drawn out. If you are up that way in May and have not had a ride over the Cooper on the
Birdsville Track, you may want to pencil that one in your books.
I was trying to find out today on what is happening up on the Cooper. My usual contact is on annual leave, but her next in charge said that they are looking around some time in May when the ferry is put back into use.
As for the River, you can not help but have fun out there on the water. We have been paddling up there for years, so it is going to be very interesting to be out there this time with all that extra water that has come down.
Have a great
Easter break.
Cheers
Stephen
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Apr 20, 2011 at 17:21
Wednesday, Apr 20, 2011 at 17:21
I wonder how long it will be before the Cooper will become 'sacred' & the ferry has to pay a toll?
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 14:09
Tuesday, Apr 19, 2011 at 14:09
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 20, 2011 at 15:12
Wednesday, Apr 20, 2011 at 15:12
In 1974 (or thereabouts) when Lake Eyre was full I went with a group of 3 vehicles to see it. We took a small yacht and a 10' tinny and sailed across the Lake. We were surprised how shallow it was but had a great time.
One person who sailed in my tinny was an aborigine who had relatives in the area. Nobody raised any objection to our voyage and he thought it was good fun.
How times have changed.
A piece of land next to where we live has recently been handed over to the local Aboriginal Land Council on the basis of cultural significance. In the 26 years we have lived here I have never seen an aborigine visit and I walk the area with the dogs daily. An aborigine I know who lives in the area has no idea of what the significance is. I have rung the Land Council but no elder has been available.
I am not opposed to Land Rights in principle but am becoming sceptical about the motives of some of the groups claiming land in developed areas. Do not accuse me of racial bias as I have had many aboriginal friends over the years.
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Wednesday, Apr 20, 2011 at 16:36
Wednesday, Apr 20, 2011 at 16:36
You are justified in being skeptical :-)
I did some roadworks down near
Wujal Wujal some time ago. We excavated a 60 ton boulder out of the
hill side to widen the road. Before we started you could not see this boulder.
As we dropped it on to the road ready to split it up we were give a stop work as it was a sacred
rock called
Turtle Rock (Xray vision was needed)
I asked around and found out
Turtle Rock could actually be seen from this part of the road, it was in the river and people fished off it.
Cut a long waste of time short,
the rock is still on the edge of the road when you drive between
Ayton and the School on the
Bloomfield Track.
These days its only an issue because......
well let every one make up their own minds
Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Ian A2 - Thursday, Apr 21, 2011 at 17:03
Thursday, Apr 21, 2011 at 17:03
Hi folks
I just joined the list as I thought a few facts from an aware visitor might help the discussion. Did the people boating last week break the law?
Firstlly it is a National Parks Act issue not Aboriginal
Heritage Act (confirmed by govt officials recently) nor is it Native Title (there is a claim in process but this is separate).
Secondly I visited the National Parks '
Halligan Bay' track and
camping area last week with a permit bought at
the entrance and at that stage there were no signs about boating. The Parks SA website had no information about restrictions on Lake Eyre until APRIL 12.
Thirdly all the public announcements have been made by Minister for Aboriginal Affairs who does not have responsibility for Parks SA.
Lastly as far as I can see there is no permit system for 'boating' on the Parks SA website or elsewhere? So how does one get such a permit - write to the Minister perhaps?
I saw one couple at the
campsite pump up an inflatable toy boat and use it to do a token paddle in the waters of LE and caught it on film - is this an offence?
ciao
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Thursday, Apr 21, 2011 at 17:49
Thursday, Apr 21, 2011 at 17:49
“Firstlly it is a National Parks Act issue not Aboriginal
Heritage Act (confirmed by govt officials recently) nor is it Native Title (there is a claim in process but this is separate).”
I think you’ll find it is a mute point...
It is the DENR in South Australia that issues permits for boating on Lake Eyre, and they have indicated the granting of any (boating) permit is dependent on Aboriginal cultural issues bring resolved. This Aboriginal
Heritage Act was brought in to protect sites of indigenous significance and DENR are bound to take this act into account when deciding whether it is appropriate, or otherwise, to issue a boating permit.
Given the objections the Arabunna people have raised it seems the DENR has decided it best to not issue any permits and have encouraged the parties involved to resolve the issue between themselves. DENR will then be guided by the outcome of any resolution achieved as to whether to issue permits in the future.
That is the crux of he permit issue...
Cheers, The Landy
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