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As a general rule how many tanks of fuel should a chain saw go thru before chain should be sharpened?

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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 10:09

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 10:09
I do it after every second tank and depending on what I am cutting sometimes even after every tank. I just use a little hand file and normally take it to the shop to get professionally checked and sharpened/adjusted after about 10 home sharpens.

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Follow Up By: Gnomey - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 10:34

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 10:34
Troll is spot on. Every two tanks is the average for me too when cutting clean hardwood. The idea is to keep the chain really sharp. It's heaps easier on both machine and operator.

A touch up is a lot quicker than sharpening a seriously blunt chain. I carry a spare chain for extended cutting sessions or a boo boo that blunts chain #1.

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Follow Up By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 10:55

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 10:55
Agreed, One or two tankfulls is the go. Just a fews strokes of the file will keep it in good shape and is little trouble.
Like any wood-cutting tool, it is absolutely essential to keep the cutting edge really sharp. As soon as the keen edge is lost, wear becomes rapid and severe requiring major work to rehabilitate it.

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Follow Up By: Simco - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:19

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:19
When you sharpen the chain do you file away from the chain or do you file inwards to the chain?

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Follow Up By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:37

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:37
There are many articles and videos re sharpening chain saws on the internet. Just Google "sharpen chain saw". But it can be best if you have an experienced user instruct you.

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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:40

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:40
you file towards the saw nice and gentle 2-3 times is enough...push through then lift up and then go again
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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:07

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:07
Have used chain saws for years and it was always better to touch up the chain at least every tank of fuel. It is much easier to keep sharp than to actually sharpen.

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Reply By: Member - Kevin J (Sunshine Coa - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:26

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 11:26
My Stihl is now almost 24 years old and has done a pile of reasonably heavy work. Trees with diameter up to twice the bar length. Mostly yellow box, red gum or iron bark along with a bundle of old rail sleepers and power poles for firewood. Drive sprocket has been replaced twice.

Have worn out 7 or 8 chains but still using only second bar which has been professionally side dressed twice. The original had three dressings from memory.

Resharpen after each tank of fuel or after each use which ever comes first. Any time used to do this is well and truely worthwhile. I use hand file only.

Resharpen any and every time the chain makes contact with the ground. This can be a real problem when cutting old logs etc which have been in the ground so I try to avoid that situation.

Never put the saw away without cleaning, sharpening and resetting chain tension. The acids in some timbers can attack the body materials if you leave them sit. Particular palms are bad news.

Always use a top quality bar oil and never ever cut without checking oil flow. As little as 30 seconds without oil can cause damage to the bar.

As with any cutting tool accidents are more likely to happen when the edge is off.

Works for me

Kevin J
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 17:09

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 17:09
Hi Kev,
Without doubt that makes you the resident expert on chainsaws mate so look out.

Ive only cut a few thousand fence posts with my saws oh and bored half as amny to take wire so I am not up there with you yet.

Talk of dunking the cutter in dirt, I have done that more than once and sometimes I have to sharpen a couple of times in the one tank bl#%*#@y hell.

One neighbour used to wire brush the logs before he would put his saw into it.

Good advice there mate and should be heeded.

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Follow Up By: Member - Kevin J (Sunshine Coa - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 18:29

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 18:29
Not an expert at all but certainly spent some time with people who could be considered up there with the best in the business and as with everything just watching and learning pays off later. Started in the days of Buzz saws. Motorbike engine with a belt driven 36" circular blade. Now they were something else again.

Somehow that ground seems to have an attraction at times and I hate termites. Cut a black wattyl last Monday. Looked solid and was doing fine until the saw hit the termite tube. Luckily near the last edge but it meant a stop to proceedings.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 00:29

Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 00:29
Hi Kevin J, I remember the old 'Power Saw', it wasn't a motorbike engine though, the circular blade was run by two v belts. we also had a bench saw that was mounted on the front of an old W6 tractor, I use to have to sharpen them both at each break we had during the day. My parents had a wood round many moons ago and as it was back in those days the kids helped out, we would saw, chop and load a 5ton truck a day. Those were hard days...part of the memory bank though.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 17:27

Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 17:27
Yeah the old Hargon. Saw so named after Don Hargon.

Did a years sleeper cutting once as an offsider only.

Mate I have an old Hargon in my shed. Bl@@dy dangerous things in the wrong hands.
BSA Bantum motor of about and 125cc I think.
Was going to convert it to a Honda 360 with electric start but lost interest.

The sleeper cutters up here use a variation of the old Hargon saw.
They use a VW motor and they put an outrigger with a throttle control on it and stand about 10 feet out in front of the blade and pull the saw through.
.... I kid you not. .......
They use them as a breakdown saw mainly.
(for breaking logs down and creating a flat side for the main bench). (for those that don't know)

One chap up this way, a few years ago, had the spindle break or something on his saw and the blade cut him in 2. Well almost, but he was dead, as you would expect. Fact.

Dunworkin, they were character building days.

Lovely note to end on.
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Follow Up By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Friday, May 06, 2011 at 22:05

Friday, May 06, 2011 at 22:05
I am with you Kevin, if the saw is sharp the fuel will last longer. The bar will last longer. Sharpen every fuel load load and it won't stretch as much either.
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Reply By: splits - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 12:52

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 12:52
Simco
My story is very similar to Kevin's. I have a 1987 model Stihl. It was the second smallest one they made at the time and was only supposed to cut a small amount of bbq wood each year. A transfer to the bush with my job meant it cut 15 tons of hardwood each year for six years and it is still going well.

I treat it the same way as Kevin and sharpen the chain by hand after each tank. Each tooth is like a little wood chisel and the sharper they are the better.

Be very careful of dirty wood. I always carry a small tomahawk and a wire brush to either brush bark or cut it off completely if it has dirt on it. This leaves a clean area for the chain to go through and makes a big difference to its condition.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 17:29

Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 17:29
Hey Splits that is some fireplace if you are putting 15 tonne a year through it. LOL
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 13:42

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 13:42
It is actually an impossible question to answer, it is entirely dependent on what timber you are cutting, hardwood or softwood, dry or green, clean timber or dirty etc.
As mentioned above, it is a good idea to get a professional machine sharpen after a few hand sharpens.
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Follow Up By: Fred G NSW - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 19:48

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 19:48
Spot on Shaker. I have five chains for my stihl, and rotate them accordingly.

If you have been flogging your chainsaw for a while, next time you change the chain, have a good sighting along the top and bottom of your bar, and see how it's doing.....hollows and discolouring.....Keep the chain as sharp as possible at all times and like a good marriage, you'll increase the bar's longevity.
Chains are about $50.....bars about $120.

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Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 14:16

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 14:16
While you are waiting for the motor to cool a bit so you can refuel is a good time to touch up the chain.
So I say every time you refuel or more often if necessary.

Scrubby.
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Reply By: Wilko (Parkes NSW) - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 15:22

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 15:22
I give it a sharpen after every 2nd tank as well. Dont forget to check the scrapers as well for height and shape.

I give it a good going over, airfilter clean, bar rotation ect every so often and get it serviced once a year, more often if i'm cutting professionally.

Ive got 3 saws Stihl 990, 311 & 170 and treat them all the same way.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 17:15

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 17:15
Just be careful not to take too much off those rakes (scrapers). A little too much and the saw could pull you off your feet as I have found out on occasion.

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Follow Up By: Wilko (Parkes NSW) - Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 20:18

Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 20:18
Hi Bruce,

Agreed itll bite if you go too far, I use the guide supplied by Stihl and it seems to go ok.


Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Bushranger1 - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 16:09

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 16:09
Well it all depends.
I have been using only wood for all my heating needs for over 30 years so have cut many hundreds of ton of wood over this time.
I have a property in the mountains & another in the Mallee. When I cut in the wet mountain forest I can go all day without sharpening till I finish for the day as long as I do not hit the ground. However its a different story in the mallee. I have to sharpen at every tankfill due to the termites that bring up the sand into the timber.
Also as a few have mentioned use good quality bar oil & keep the oil galleries clean to ensure max lube to the bar. Also its much better to keep the edge nice & sharp with minor touch ups than stress the saw (& yourself) with a blunt cutting edge.
And we all know there are 2 things you DO NOT lend out to friends. Your saw & your wife!
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Follow Up By: Simco - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 17:53

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 17:53
Can understand not lending your saw but???
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Follow Up By: Gobumpy - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 19:37

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 19:37
Stu
Never lend wife your saw and never ever lend a tension wrench hahaha

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Follow Up By: Fred G NSW - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 19:40

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 19:40
Mate, that is as concise an answer as can be given to this Q. Most of the above advice applies, but you have put it into layman's terms... Great answer IMHO.
Bushranger 1, you need to become a member here. Well said Stu.

Fred
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Reply By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 21:11

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 21:11
Yes all answers are correct in my view. It depends on what you are cutting. A sharp chain protects the cutter bar. Some chains are better than others and some logs are harder/dirtier than others. As soon as you detect a change in performance, sharpen the chain. On fencing jobs I'd sometimes sharpen before the tank was empty, but just a touch up.
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Reply By: Mudripper - Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 21:12

Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 21:12
Being a serious firewood cutter, I sharpen my chains frequently to avoid unnecessary, excessive wear. If the teeth on the chain don't have that sharp, clean cutting edge you're only going to prematurely wear out the chain, bar, sprocket, power head and more importantly your back. A dull chain is also a safety concern.

Of course, sharpening frequency all depends on the timber that you cut. If it's green, clean hardwood then a chain will last about 2-3 trees. As soon as you hit dirty or rotten wood you'd be lucky to make a dozen cuts before sharpening again. I usually cut (either green or dry) stringybark, peppermint, swampgum and paperbark (I think). Peppermint is my favourite as it cuts beautifully and splits very well.

I have used different sharpening tools over the years and have never come across anything better than the Jolly Star grinder that I bought a couple of years back. A nice Italian machine, it's made by Tecomec and set me back $550.

I started out using a file and file holder and I found this was OK, but over time (and no matter how much one tries to keep the angle correct) you will eventually need to get the chain sharpened in a shop to true it out. I also upgraded later to a battery operated grinder (Stihl Quik Sharp) that runs off a car battery and found that the results were similar to using a file.

I then decided to make a purchase that I'll never regret - buying the Jolly Star. This grinder has the capacity to sharpen anything from a 1/4" pitch chain to a 3/4" harvester. Down angle, sideplate angle and the sharpening angle can all be set and will ensure a consistent grind. The machine came with three wheels with different thicknesses for a variety of chains.

I use only Stihl chains and have found them to be the best. I have used Windsor, Oregon, Carlton and they all good, but I have my grinder set for the Stihl chains as they don't have a down angle setting. Just makes sharpening easier.

When sharpening I use the "pickering" method where I just touch the grinding wheel on the tooth a few times without holding the grinder on the tooth for extended periods of time. Grinding the teeth heavily, or holding the wheel on them for too long will cause heat build up and will weaken the metal that the tooth is made of, making it softer and vulnerable to premature wear. Of course, when using a file you don't have to worry about this. Just 3-4 strokes of the file are enough for a touch-up sharpen.

I clamp the bar (with the powerhead still attached) in a vise using wood blocks when sharpening with a file. When using the file, push the file away from you (forward stroke) to sharpen the tooth. Then slightly lift the file away from the tooth when pulling the file back in (backward stroke) for another forward stroke. File the left-hand cutters in this manner. Then clamp the bar the other way around and sharpen the right-hand cutters the same way, pushing the file away from you to sharpen, pulling the file in to prepare for another forward stroke. The rakers can be done in the same way, with a flat file and filing gauge.

Depth gauges (or rakers) are probably the most overlooked part of the tooth when sharpening. Leave the rakers to high, and the chain won't cut. File them down too low and the chain will "bite" into the wood roughly (to say the least) and will become a safety issue (increased kickback). I always use the correct filing gauge to file the rakers down to the proper height. When the rakers are filed, I then 'radius' them slightly to give them a round edge (not lowering them any further of course).

When I know that I'll be cutting dirty wood, I switch to semi-chisel chains (Stihl Rapid Micro). They are a bit more 'forgiving' in dirty or rotten wood and don't seem to wear down as fast as my standard-use chain (full chisel Stihl Rapid Super). Semi chisel chains have a different tooth design and have different sharpening angles as well.

You can always spot a dull chain by the wood chips it produces. Big chips means that it's cutting as it should, and sawdust means it needs a sharpen (unless you're making a rip cut).

There are super-automated sharpeners available (for an arm and a leg). These make mince meat of the sharpening process and use diamond wheels as well. I have seen one in operation and was thoroughly impressed but the price tag put me off lol.

I hope that's enough info for you lol and not too much confusion.

Cheers.




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Follow Up By: gbc - Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 14:15

Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 14:15
When pushing the file away, are we leaning over the powerhead or facing the powerhead?
i.e do we file with the tooth or against it?
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Follow Up By: Mudripper - Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 16:00

Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 16:00
The powerhead is to be on your left hand side when filing the left cutters, and the opposite for the other cutters.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 17:11

Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 17:11
Legendary, thanks. I thought I was going mad when someone above suggested pushing the file 'against' the grain.
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Follow Up By: Mudripper - Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 18:51

Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 18:51
Yep, you always file towards the point of the tooth never against it. Because I use a professional grinder, I have to take the chain off the bar anyway, so clamping the whole chainsaw with the bar in a vice is eliminated. Also the grinder's motor only spins in one direction, so it doesn't matter if I'm grinding right cutters or left cutters, the chain always faces the same direction.

Happy sharpening!
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Reply By: wollyw - Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 18:54

Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 18:54
i have also found out the age of the file makes a big difference. and I clean my file after every sharpen
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