Volkswagen Touareg 3ltr turbo diesel
Submitted: Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 11:26
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chasekell
Hi all.
Wondering if any person(s) own or have owned Volkswagen Touareg 3ltr turbo diesel ? I know they are capable of towing 3,500 kg's which is what we are after but have not much info in regards to thier performance wise regarding reliablity and strength ? ANy info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Regards-Terry
Reply By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:04
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:04
Excellent engineering and very capable as a tow vehicle and not too bad off road. OK they are IFS/IRS but overall pretty damn good. One real problem is that neither VW nor the aftermarket groups have manufactured a
snorkel and this makes them totally unsuited for water crossings of more than a few inches in depth. A friend drowned his in a not too deep crossing and the repair bill was >$20K.......so IMHO if you get one avoid water like the plague.
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Follow Up By: chasekell - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:23
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:23
Patrol22..
Thanks for that heads up regarding the
Snorkel issue.. Perhaps one could be some how made to do the job ? Regrading a few inches of water would that be tongue in cheek or a true reality? Surely travelling on normal roads with puddles here and there wont be a problem ?
Sorry for the questions but I have never owned a 4 wheel driven car YET!!!!!
Regards-Terry
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 16:52
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 16:52
If you are just travelling on highways then the
snorkel issue is really not an issue. But when fording even 300 mm water the air intake of this vehicle and many many others is low and prone to sucking in cup or 3 of water. Remember you only need a dessert spoon full of water ingested into a diesel to cause you significant grief......water neither burns nor compresses and a hydraulic lock in a cylinder is not something you want to happen.
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Reply By: Col WA - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:49
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:49
Hi Terry,
We had the V6 petrol great car. The main down side to these cars is the costs of servicing and spare parts. We had the brakes done on it and the bill came to $1680 and $1450 was just parts.
All the drive line from the motor back are Porche, including the brakes which will explain the prices.
As far as 4WD they do the dirt
well but lots of plastic to get caught up on steep rutted tracks. Beach is ok if sand is firm, soft sand will cause problems as the tyres are high speed rated so when you let the air down they hold their shape and only spread the foot print a little.
Hope this helps. Col
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 16:31
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 16:31
Yeah the servicing costs on these are going to be way higher than your Japanese equivalents, if money isn't an issue these are a nice drive.
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Reply By: garrycol - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 13:18
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 13:18
Standard ground clearance is a bit low. Air
suspension was standard on the older V10s and an option on the TDIs. If air adjustable
suspension is still available for the 3.0 TDI I would put that on the shopping list.
But better still would be a 3.0 SDV6 Landrover Discovery 4.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 14:03
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 14:03
The water issue is termed "Fording Depth" - being designated as an "offroader", the Touareg should have that factor listed in the technical specs. As an example, (as I recall) most popular 4 door ute makes have a fording depth around 700mm - this would probably be a minimum for anything intended to splash around in watercourses (as seen on TV ads and promos :-o)..... snorkels add greatly to this figure of course, but owners need to be very sure of the integrity of their
snorkel installation and the other hardware under the bonnet. Water can cause huge engine damage as mentioned - and a deep fording figure isn't much use if your alternator is way down low and gets a good bath. Though promoted as a 'swimming aid', I guess many snorkels are installed just to provide cleaner air to the engine intake (mine a case in point).
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Reply By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 15:12
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 15:12
I reckon any three litre tubo diesel would struggle with anywhere near 3500 Kgs of caravan/trailer behind it. I maybe wrong, it's just my opinion. Cheers
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 15:30
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 15:30
If a jap diesel the yes - a European diesel then no.
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Follow Up By: Col WA - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 18:42
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 18:42
Barry, It's a V6 3lt putting out 176 kw and 550nm of torque. So 3500 kg won't be a problem.
Col
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 18:58
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 18:58
Here is a little comparison, a 4.7 litre V8 Landcruiser petrol 2003 100 series did 0 - 100 K in manual form 10.2 seconds and 11.3 auto. A VW 3.0 litre V6 TD Touareg auto does it in 9.9 seconds, with 550 NM of torque has no problems towing 3,500 Kg.
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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 21:26
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 21:26
Barry
BMW 3.0 TD
Power 225kW @ 4400rpm
Torque 600Nm @ 1500-2500rpm
Audi 3.0 TD
Power 176kW @ 3800-4400rpm
Torque 550Nm @ 1750-2500rpm
Landrover 3.0 TD
Power 180kW @ 4000rpm
Torque 600Nm @ 2000rpm
Toyota 4.5 TD
Power 195kW @ 3400rpm
Torque 650Nm @ 1600-2600rpm
I think any of the above could haul a caravan. 3 litres seems to be at least as capable as 4.5, and likely much more economical.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 11:31
Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 11:31
Things are changing guys - I can guarantee that the new 3lt v6 Navara STX-550 with its 550nm of torque can accellerate up a
hill at 120kmh pulling a 3 ton yacht.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 12:09
Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 12:09
the ZD30 is a European diesel.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 13:15
Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 13:15
The new Nissan V6 diesel code name V9X is also European derived.i
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 23:33
Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 23:33
Wrong fisho64, the ZD30 is a Nissan engine not a Renault.
Regards Andrew.
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Reply By: mikehzz - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 18:52
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 18:52
I drove a 3 litre TD6 Touareg with air
suspension around Europe in February this year. It was a brilliant car, whisper quiet, great economy and a mountain of grunt. It makes most Jap cars feel like tractors but you pay a premium as stated above, and parts are not readily available. My heart would say yes please and my head would be saying no....If we were in Europe it would be a different story, parts are way cheaper and readily available. That's why you don't see many Toyotas on the road in Europe, hardly any as a matter of fact. We were playing spot the Jap car for a while but there wasn't enough action to keep us interested. Mike
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Reply By: chasekell - Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 21:14
Sunday, Jun 05, 2011 at 21:14
Thank you all for the great imput. From the replies it seems to me that the VW can easily tow the 3,500kg. The water issue's possibly wont be a problem to us as towing or actually travelling into areas that will negotiate large amounts of water we wont bother with LOL... The areas of concern to us is the service expenses or break down replacements. Not sure how often such problems occur to wanting to worry about the extra expenses but then again to purchase say a Toyota Sahara (4.2 TD) and pay much more for the initial purchase compared to a Touareg (second hand of around 5 yrs of age) might come into the equation ?
If I am wrong in any of my comments regarding 4 wheel driven cars please let me know as this all a big learning curve for myself and my Wife...
Regards-Terry
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Follow Up By: Col WA - Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 11:11
Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 11:11
Hi Terry,
If you are going to go 2nd hand they say 1-2 yrs or 20 - 40,000km is the best. We bought ours at 3yrs old and 75,000k's had no problems till about the end of the 5th year when the brakes and rotors needed doing very pricey,the air con would not work properly on auto on hot days, but was fine on manual (we just left it on manual) had air bag sensor problem which took a while to find was a bad connection under the drivers
seat (they have 10 air bags), the auto also normally silky smooth would intermittently drop out of 6th gear as I exited the freeway and clunk and shudder into 2nd or 3rd gear. The tyres are also not a popular size so can get pricey, spare is one of them space save wheels you have to inflate when you change the wheel, not good if you are travelling outback even on road. We sold it after 3yrs, please don't think I'm bagging the car as we still think it was one of the best cars we have ever owned. Just trying to giving you info to help your decision.
Col
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Reply By: Isuzumu - Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 16:54
Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 16:54
Club Touareg Try this site for more info
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Reply By: Fred Smith - Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 18:37
Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 18:37
Hi chasekell,
Apparantly a comon problem with the Touareg is the collapse of the driveline centre bearing. Nill spares as they don't make one so the whole tailshaft has to be replaced. COST of 1800 to 2000 Dollors.
Ian
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Reply By: chasekell - Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 19:16
Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 19:16
Hmmm
I am starting to get the feeling that yes the Touareg is a fine towing car as long as it keeps going...We are wanting a tow viehicle to last us for atleast 7 years without any UNSUSPECTING major expensive repairs..so compared to say a patrol or a cruiser the repair bill for ANY of those two would be far cheaper than the VW...Well looks like it's back to checking out more the more popular familiar tugs in Aussie land....
Thanks to you all for your very important replies...
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 20:29
Tuesday, Jun 07, 2011 at 20:29
Have you checked the price of Toyota parts lately - some will be more expensive than the VW and some will be less. I would match the reliability of the VW against any Patrol or Cruiser of the same vintage.
So you are basing your decision on responses on a
forum where the majority of posters are Jap owners. And that is fine but there is a level of bias - if I was you I would be looking much further a field than just this great
forum - you need a balanced view - we all have our biases.
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Follow Up By: Fred Smith - Wednesday, Jun 08, 2011 at 19:00
Wednesday, Jun 08, 2011 at 19:00
Hi garrycol,
My response is first hand. Being a mechanical fitter and the people I work with are mechanics, not jap owners. We repair vehicles everyday so mine is first hand experience. The thread question was about known experiences with a certian vehicle. I have replaced more expensive parts on Jap vehicles. They all have their problems.
Ian
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Jun 08, 2011 at 21:10
Wednesday, Jun 08, 2011 at 21:10
Hi Ian,
Yep first hand experiences are really important and my response was not targeted at any one in particular.
Chasekell's response seems to be that he has made a decision based on the information contained on this
forum which of course is not a good idea. If it were me I would seek information from a whole range of sources. Yes it is good to get ideas from Exploroz but maybe a wider information base might be a good idea before making such an expensive decision.
I do not own a Tourag or even driven one but an acquaintance had one until it was written off and he now drives a Discovery 3. He raves about his VW and rates it very highly - as he said - some things are expensive others are not. Reliability overall was better than many other makes. Like all makes they have some design problems but then so do Toyota and Nissan as do all makes,
I needed a new (used car) late last year and the Tourag was on the shopping list but I could not find a second hand one that ticked the boxes I was after (low km, price and air
suspension).
Anyway it is Chasekell's choice and no matter what is purchased I hope he gets lots of enjoyment.
Garry
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