Weird caravan

Submitted: Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 23:28
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Driving past a free camp site the other day and I saw a humungous caravan with 6 wheels behind a Pajero.
I did a u-turn just to have a look. It had a normal looking dual wheel system, but at the front of the van was another set of wheels on leaf springs, then the draw bar, which was attached to car. I got the impression that if it was unhitched, the drawbar would drop down.
Any body seen something like this before? Im guessing you could throw out all the rules in regards to down weight on the draw bar.
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Reply By: Member - Ozzie Nomad (VIC) - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 23:38

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 23:38
Sounds amazing.... behind a Pajero ?? I tried a Pajero once...damn thing couldn't pull the skin off a custard. Three axles ?? Big van.
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Follow Up By: achjimmy - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 00:22

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 00:22
You wanna try the new ones, they pull like steam trains. Very popular tow tug.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:06

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:06

Like a Steam Train?
That's funny stuff achjimmy


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Follow Up By: achjimmy - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:15

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:15
Yeah a little bit of poetic licence there but you know what I mean. In diesel other than the V8 cruiser none of the other mainstream 4x4 have the power/torque the DID Pajero has for towing. Also reflect by the number seen towing vans nowadays.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:49

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:49
Some interesting figures.
From the RedBook site.
Cruiser
91 80 series
4.2 1HD-T
Power 115kW @ 3600rpm
Torque 357Nm @ 1800rpm
Kerb Weight (kg) 2095
Gross Combination Mass (kg) 5460
Gross Vehicle Mass (kg) 2960
Pay Load (kg) 865
Towing Braked (kg) 2500
Towing Not Braked (kg) 750

Pajero
GL NT 2011
Direct Injection
Electronic Sequential
3.2 L
Power 147kW @ 3800rpm
Torque 441Nm @ 2000rpm
Kerb Weight (kg) 2283
Tare Mass (kg) 2215
Gross Combination Mass (kg) 6030
Gross Vehicle Mass (kg) 3030
Pay Load (kg) 747
Towing Braked (kg) 3000
Towing Not Braked (kg) 750

Still, I wouldn't like to tow it with anything less than a F250 or similar.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: achjimmy - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:55

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:55
I dont think i would like to tow it at all, did you read the post. "they tow quite well until they get out of line" or something like.

I dont get your above post you are comparing a 20 Y/O cruiser with a new Pajero. I couldnt be arsed looking up the V8 figures but they would be substantially above the Pajero i would think.

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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 09:21

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 09:21
I was just comparing what I drive to the new plastic cars. I was surprised to see the the Pajero has a higher Kerb weight than the Cruiser.
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Follow Up By: GimmeeIsolation - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 19:37

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 19:37
Land Rover Discovery 3.0 litre V6, 180 kw and 600Nm and Im not driving something from the people who tortured my grandfather.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ozzie Nomad (VIC) - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 19:56

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 19:56
Lets face it....if you want a fair dinkum 4x4, we all secretely know the Landrover is the top of the food chain. Everything else comes somewhere south of the Marque. Comparing a Pajero with a Discovery is like comparing a Magna with a Merc.
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Follow Up By: achjimmy - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 20:39

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 20:39
Ahh that explains it, if you had an old land rover you would know what gutless meant. yeah good anaolgy simalar difference in servicing costs i would imagine.

Gimme plenty of our relatives were tortured by englishmen too just a few generations further back.
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Follow Up By: GimmeeIsolation - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:47

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:47
Looking at the price list for Nissan vehicle services at the stealers where the Discovery was done also and some of the Nissans were more expensive to service. Have not been into a Tojo dealer to see the costs but you may be surprised.
My major services have been between about $260 up to nearly $300 when I asked for extra as I live North and travel remote on my own.
Not too bad considering it has all the extras fitted.
And yes I have travelled in an old Landy in the past and had my thongs melting to the floor but we were not talking of 40 year old vehicles just as Ive passed old Tojo's stuck in the creek beds out the desert with the one wheel spinning in the air stopping the vehicle moving (4X4 ?) while I went around them in my old HT wagon with LSD. I have also crossed Australia offroad several times in recent years driving Japanese 4X4s (delivering 4X4 campers) so I have some experience there.
Drive a Discovery and then jump in your Jappa, chalk and cheese.
LandRovers can have problems but they are not Lone Robinson and I test drove all available 4X4 brands before I made my choice.
Toyota/Nissan are going electronic also and they don't build a diesel engine like the Europeans.
Other than that , this is off topic and I don't really know what your'e last post is really about or what you were trying to imply.
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Follow Up By: achjimmy - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 23:02

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 23:02
LOL my last post was in reply to Ozzie's original about something being gutless, was thinking of the 4 cly Landy we test drove before my dad bought a G60 Patrol, and then your comment about "not driving something from the people who tortured my grandfather. "

Good luck to you and your Land Rovers, i think there a fair enough thing but it always amazes me how the owners need to justify there vechile, good luck I cant even fit in a defender being 6ft1 without the window open! Ive had enough of my share of british vechiles to last me a life time thanks. Nobody could turn wiring into smoke like the brits on old vechiles. Maybe there better now the Indians own them?
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Follow Up By: Member - Ozzie Nomad (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:37

Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:37
Ah yes....Lucas, the prince of darkness. Named so by a generation of mechanics more comfortable with an old iron Henry or the venerable 186 red motor. Old British Landrovers had many quirks, especially ill maintained ones. But of course for many years now the Marque has been built by the likes of BMW, Ford, and now the dookies are paying the bills. But it still brings a smile to the face when you see a bloke get out of a Disco after his first drive, having like many, driven some mass produced Jap or American pile all his life. The look on his face says it all mate. "@%#$, so that's what all the passion is about"

It's a Landrover thing. You have to own one to understand.
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Follow Up By: The Original JohnR (Vic) - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 16:20

Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 16:20
Hairs & Fysh, you could at least put the up to date Landcruiser figures than a 20 year old system. Why post the 80 Series info?

I have heard about some of the Pajeros in the last 10 years that have trouble controlling a 2 tonne trailer. A guy in the KKOG reckoned he nearly lot it.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 16:30

Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 16:30
Hi John, I did it as a comparison to what I drive compared to the new stuff.
Here are some for the latest Cruiser.

Cruiser
GXL UZJ200R
4.7T V8 ULP
Power 202kW @ 5400rpm
Torque 410Nm @ 3400rpm
Kerb Weight (kg) 2635
Tare Mass (kg) 2540
Gross Combination Mass (kg) 6800
Gross Vehicle Mass (kg) 3300
Pay Load (kg) 665
Towing Braked (kg) 3500
Towing Not Braked (kg) 750

They still share a 750kg not braked.
But she weighs some 540kilo's more.
Fair enough she has more go in her, but thats a lot more weight to be pushing around.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: achjimmy - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 23:27

Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 23:27
Or for the current diesel cruiser

4.5L V8 Twin Turbo Diesel
195kW of power/650 Nm Torque (Twin Turbo Diesel)

I don't think there is a vechile around that tows more than 750kg trailer unbraked
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Reply By: SDG - Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 23:51

Sunday, Jun 12, 2011 at 23:51
I just found a picture on the internet. It looks like this, but I don't think it was.
The front axel is not as noticable as the one I saw.

http://www.caravanworld.com.au/latest-reviews/article/articleid/70143.aspx

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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:14

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:14
Hi SDG,
I wonder what it weighs? Can't be light and it wouldn't leave much for personal gear.
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Follow Up By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:02

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:02
Hi SGD,

Your link does not appear to be working!

GT


Just discovered...
It will if you drop the hyphen between "latest and reviews"
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Follow Up By: achjimmy - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:11

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:11
Got copy the whole link in to work
http://www.caravanworld.com.au/latest-reviews/article/articleid/70143.aspx
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Follow Up By: achjimmy - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:12

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:12
Including the bit after the hyphen to work.
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Reply By: PeteS - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:35

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:35
Try clicking on this link:
humungous caravan

PeteS
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Reply By: Ray - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 09:20

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 09:20
Nothing new in that configuration. We had them in the military. You also see many commercial trailers with the wheels set out like that, why not a caravan?????
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Follow Up By: Hairy (WA) - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:04

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:04
They were used for road camps too.....generally towed behind a grader.
We used them for camp kitchens while working bush and a lot of school teachers and nurses used to live in them on communities.
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Follow Up By: Mark C - Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 19:42

Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 19:42
Yeah I used to have a couple of 16t GVM ex CRB trailers rigged the same way almost impossible to back without a turntable lock but towed well.
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 17:29

Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 17:29
Thay handle tight roundabouts much better than a conventional van. No different than a dog trailer for a truck.

Whereas a conventional van is the same set up as a "pig" trailer.

Agree...harder to reverse without a locking turntable.

Fab.
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