Alloy cans in campfires

It seems also that it is too hard to dig a hole and do your business, they just do it on top and leave the paper there. luckily we use swags and have had no trouble getting away from where most people have camped. Cheers Mick

Rarely will you ever find a previously used camp site that doesn't have it's share of broken folding chairs, food containers, cans and bottles, yep, often in the ashes of the fire and of course human waste and paper behind the nearest tree.
I always have a fossick around after setting up camp don't think I'll ever have to buy cutlery again, it probably gets thrown out with the washing up water. Also find quite a few very good custom made tent pegs which always come in handy. I leave the cheap store bought ones in a convenient place for someone else lol.


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should also add as a kid the look after your rubish messese was fairly new and advice was to make sure you bury your trash

Too right Phil
When I was a kid (1960s) we got 10c from our local factory for empty bottles.
There was not a single soft drink bottle left behind back then.
Plenty of other rubbish, but definitely no soft drink bottles.
There is also a push by the non SA state cycling groups to introduce a refund system to try & reduce the number of punctures push-bikes get. They use SA as a positive example of what can be achieved.

You sure?
I was always taught the 3 B's as Burn, Bury and Bring back....although I have been tempted to bash a few idiots in my time.

Fab.

I remember burying our rubbish, after burning and flattening it as a scout. Also remember some damn hot fires, that often did not leave a lot to be buried.

Mike, I think those who find it too hard to dig a hole for their human waste, wont dig a hole for their rubbish will they, all too hard for some. Mick

Please don't bury rubbish. A simple rule- Carry it in-Carry it out. At the moment human waste is excluded but it may not be long before this too is included. (Relatively) easy for car campers - porta-potties. In some area bushwalkers are required to bring out their own waste. Leave no trace is sort of new to car campers, but the experience of camping is important too. We all look for that "exclusive" or rarely visited experience. By simply working towards a "leave no trace" ethos we can enhance this opportunity for everyone.

Cheers,
Mark

The problem remains Mark that when you bring it back and put it in the bin it gets buried anyway. In addition you may add to the problems by placing it in (bio degradable or burnable rubbish that is) plastic bags that remain in land fill for hundreds of years.

We cant win really, most of our goods come in layers of unnecessary packaging and then wrapped in plastic for good measure.

I agree leave it as you found it or better if you can.

Regards


Jas

Jason, it's not a matter of winning or losing. We can minimise impact by selecting lower remnant products and/or packaging. That's not what I'm talking about. If in a "natural"or wilderness area it is much harder to manage impact. Just as important to most (but less considered) is the experiential aspect of camping. Even those on this site I would personally consider inconsiderate seem to want to be in a more natural and wilderness like setting. By maintaining this experience for as many people as possible we can enhance everybody's camping.

No argument we have to learn to manage our waste, but this is a travel and camping forum and I'm responding accordingly.

When studying Recreation Management (yes, I know. I've turned many against me because of the word studying) it became clear that the experience of a recreational activity is as important as any actual event. By enhancing the experience we can help everyone get the most of their recreational activities. Taking a personal benefit approach (I'm fine, stuff everyone else- you hear this often in responses of those who say we are over governed) can detract from everyone's recreation and add to the chorus of (often unreasonable) promoters of recreational bans and limitations.

Going by your last statement it appears we agree more than disagree.

Cheers,

Mark

I wasn't disagreeing with you mate, my comments essentially were sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees and we can make things worse or contribute to more damage even with the best of intentions.

I know people that collect their business in plastic shopping bags and dispose it when they get to town, this gives them the warm and fuzzies. Where to my thinking it is just adding to further problems. I would just dig a hole and let nature take it course personally.

When camping in the CT we use a porta potty and dump it at council collection sites when we can.


Regards


Jas