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Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 19:18
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I've recently upgraded my van and as a consequence bought a newer vehicle as well. I bought a Coromal f616 van that weighs in around 2.1 tonne loaded. The car is a 06 td landcruiser. This i thought after much research was the ideal tow for what i wanted to do. After a few trips away i think its fantastic. My question is (after reading a few different threads on here) how are these 4cyl td's such as Rodeo's, Rangers etc able to pull the same sized vans at 100km/hr in top gear all day long and return figures of 15lt/ 100km?? Im flatout doing about 95 in fourth (auto) revving 2400 rpm and doing on average 18lt/100km without wind. Did i buy the wrong car, or will longevity win out in the end??

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Reply By: Member - Bill B1 (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 19:28

Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 19:28
You have just discovered that -

'There are three kinds of people in this world..
Those who can do maths and those who can't.'

I have an '03 Prado diesel auto pulling a Windsor Rapid 14' for the last 14 months around OZ and I get around 15.5 L@100. On flat roads and with a tail wind I can get 14.5 L@100.

Some of the figures you are going to get in reply to the Thread will astound you. But they make you laugh, so it can't be all bad!

Watch them roll in
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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 20:04

Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 20:04
I agree, also it depends on peoples driving habbits ect.
Our 3ltr crd patrol is really thirsty.
I have come to the conclusion that it's to much truck for little motor when towing.
We will be picking up a new 4.8 litre patrol in two weeks.
The 4.8 litre is supposed to be thirsty but that's ok if you don't have to flog the guts out of the motor when towing up hills or passing ect.
I thought a Steinbauer Chip would help the performance but on this current trip we have found out we were mistaken.

PS. I have calculated the patrol was burning up between 24litre to 26litres per 100ks.

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 20:14

Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 20:14
and 5 out of 4 people can't do fractions...
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Follow Up By: olddigger - Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 23:53

Tuesday, Jun 14, 2011 at 23:53
Ouch! 24 to 26 litres to 100km. Yet another on the long list of reasons not to buy a Patrol.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 13:05

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 13:05
Hi Daza

Sounds like you have made some desicions , but if your not locked in then I'd reccomend the manual if lots of towing is your game and the auto 4800 if highway touring with no van.

Its pretty hard to beat 4800's but after 250,000km my manual 4800 has actually developed its first genuine fault (slight weeping front engine seal) but I think I can blame a 100kms of deep slush up the Canning for that.

Good Choice either way
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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 14:49

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 14:49
G/Day Robin
The Cook wants the Auto, it's easier for her reconstructed knee.
I'll only drive it now and again.
But I'm looking forward to the extra power.

PS. Not many new 4.8 litres around, we were lucky to get it at home on the Gold Coast.
They cost more than the 3 ltr crds.

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Reply By: Rockape - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 03:56

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 03:56
Phil,
the 18l/100k sounds about right give or take a litre but I do believe your td 100 series is way down on power.

That vehicle should have plenty of get up and go loaded and with that size van on the back. Might pay to have her checked out.

Have a good one
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Reply By: snoopyone - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 08:54

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 08:54
Have just sold my 2005 TD that had a chip and a 3" exhaust.

We towed a 2850kg van around the block and got 17.5 l per 100km so you are doing alright. Am pleased to see you towing in 4th as well and it wont make any difference to consumption.

It will be really singing along at 90 in 4th at about 2300rpm.

Worst day we got was 25l per 100k in a head wind

Best was 13l per 100k in a tail wind

Car on its own from Coffs To Brissy and return did 10.3l per 100k at 100kph+
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Follow Up By: Phil D1 - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:11

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:11
Hey Snoopy

Thanks for the info. What chip did you get and was it worth it in your opinion? Im thinking about doing both the exhaust and a chip, but due to cash flow will only get one done at a time. My thoughts are to do the exhaust first, then when cash flow is better get the chip, would you agree?

As for towing, i got advice from two toyota service managers who said just put it in drive, it'll sort itself out. I got about 500km down the road and the A/t overheat light came on, after that i stayed in fourth with no further problems. However when we reached our destination (coral Bay) we went 4x4 driving in the dunes and the light came on again. Granted it was hot about 37degree's with no wind and it was pretty heavy going country, have you had any similar incidents?? I put it in for a check up and they found it was short about 1.5 lt of transmission oil. I havent had the chance of getting offroad again so hopefull that sorted it out.

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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:28

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:28
Each generation of motor is a little more efficient than the previous. Add to that you are lugging around more weight in your tug. I burn 14 - 16 l/100 km towing my 2,000 kg pop-top behind my D40. I consider that D40s are more thirsty than some of the others as I was burning around the same fuel in my older technology Discos.

I would not worry too much about your fuel consumption. You can certainly improve it by getting one of the newer utes but that would not be cost effective.


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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 17:39

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 17:39
Phil,
Go the exhaust first then get the chip as cashflow improves.
I have been told that the exhaust gives a bigger return for dollars spent

Your consumption figures are close to centre of the ball park mate.

Your motor will outlast most of the other smaller motors so I would not worry about using a little more fuel. It is a lot more convenient to put fuel in than dismantle and repair an engine as some of these smaller units will eventually need.

Nearly 50years ago the NRMA did a study and they arrived at the conclusion that it was cheaper to run the bigger motors than save fuel on the smaller motor vehicles as repairs worked out to the same overall cost but the down time was more inconvenient.

Like they say, "If you want horse power you need cubic inches"

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 17:46

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 17:46
An After thought, get your vehicle checked out as it should do better than 95 towing 2 tonne.

I can cruise on 120 in my 80 series TD multivalve towing 2.2 tonne. Mind you you will use more than 18 litres per 100Km at that speed.
I do not recommend towing at that speed, I am merely saying that is what it can do and yours should be able to do.
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Follow Up By: Phil D1 - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 21:48

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 21:48
Cheers for the info bruce, thats what i thought, the exhaust first then the chip. From the info ive read the exhaust does seem to give more bang for your buck. Any recommendations on the chip??

I got toyota to give the car a major service when i first bought it with no apparent problems. It tows fine and would pull the same as yourself if i pushed it. I think maybe i chose the wrong word ie flatout! What i meant was if i sat on the 100 it would be doing 25 or 2600rpm and using 20+ lt / 100, in my language flatout. I thought it would cruise on 100 and do it easy, revving around 2000. Anyway i love the car, its a sahara and has some great extra's. I guess its better to ease off anyway and enjoy the view!

Thanks again for the input!

Phil

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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 16, 2011 at 14:18

Thursday, Jun 16, 2011 at 14:18
Phil, i would not have a clue about which chip is better than another.
Mine is mechanical injection so this question has not got my interest as yet.

There are many on here that have had chips done and some may eventually answer your question.

I know what you mean about loving the car. I think they are the best vehicle on the road, but then some would say we are biased, probably.
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Reply By: murrayman - Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 18:30

Wednesday, Jun 15, 2011 at 18:30
hi phil, I also have a 100 seriies td 06 model. I used to tow a van that weighed 2100 loaded and it returned about 16.5l to the 100. New van weighs 3500 kg and i am getting around 20 l per 100. Alway only travell 80-85pkh. Just fitted a beaudesert 3 'exhaust. I had it dynoed before i fitted it to make sure everything was up to specs. The system has given it more grunt up hills, it does not die in the rs when you point it at a hill now. I dont think it has improved the economy at all, in saying that i have just got home from a 2000k round trip and averaged 18,5 l per 100. I put that down to the fact that a lot of the roads along the darling had only just reopened and i only sat 60 - 70 kph for a lot of ks. Mine is a manual and i tow in 4rth. Unloaded i have never got better than 13l per 100 at 95 -100 kph.cheers mm
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