Jayco pop top or Coromal pop top
Submitted: Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:32
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John Z
Hello all,
My wife has decided that I need to buy a pop top van(second hand), we have been looking at for a couple days and have been confused to blazes as this will be our FIRST VAN (virgin caravaners). We are looking at something in the 16 to 18 foot range, we've been told by some sales people we need an aluminium frame other we need wood frame? Confusing or what.
We've seen a variety of brands, but I have liked the Jayco Freedom & Eagle and also the Coromal Excel and Seka, my wife is open to any brand as long as it is "nice and tidy" : we are restricted on price - up to mid $20k as we are getting close to retirement.
After the above novel, what I am asking is any one out there able to enlighten us on the Jayco/Coromal or any other brand? , we live in Victoria and possible wont do much rough terrain type camping.
Thanks to all and any with advise.
John Z
Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:43
Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 20:43
Hi
John. It is an absolute minefield out there regarding second hand vans. My suggestion would be to try and hire (or borrow) one similar to your choices and try it first. They are both pretty good choices but I ended up with a Jayco. Cheers,Bob
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Follow Up By: John Z - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 21:29
Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 21:29
Thanks for the tip Bob, will mention this concept to the "decision maker", i'm only the driver and goofer in this process.
Regards,
John
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:22
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:22
Hi Joihn,
I agree with Bob, If you can hire one first, what ever style or type you decide on will help heaps in choosing the right setup for you guys.
What is best for us or them isn't what might be right for you guys.
Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - Bruce T (SA) - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 21:45
Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 21:45
Hi
John,
We have had both. The Jayco came with less problems and was a great van (poptop). The Coromal (poptop)came with many problems which we have fixed and it too is now a great van. The Coromal is bigger and has some things in that we wanted like a bigger fridge.
We'd say both are good. Lots of people will rubbish Jaycos but we think they're fine.
Bruce and Di
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Follow Up By: John Z - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 23:18
Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 23:18
G'day Bruce and Di,
thanks for the input, It seems that it may come down to hoping that which ever van we choose is not a lemon and that it was one that wasnt build on a Friday after the lunch break.
Regards,
John
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Reply By: lizzyb74 - Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 23:21
Friday, Jun 17, 2011 at 23:21
we're really happy with our Coromal pop top/sides. We purchased our last year and haven't had any major or even minor probs.
There are heaps second hand on Gumtree....
Good luck!
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Follow Up By: John Z - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:11
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:11
lizzyb74
Thanks for your input on our question it "aint getting" easier making a decsion.
Will look at Gumtree.
Regds,
john
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Reply By: Ray - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 07:13
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 07:13
I have been caravanning for many years and would not even consider a pop top. Go for a fixed roof full height type
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Follow Up By: John Z - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:15
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:15
Ray,
Thanks for that, you must have spoken to my wife in the last 24hrs. She mentioned full caravans this morning and is dragging me away from my work today i.e. watching the footy on TV and having a beer.
Thanks mate.
John
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Follow Up By: dazren - Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 01:27
Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 01:27
But then again
John ! a lot of other people have been caravanning for many years also ?? and they would not consider a Full van,
So really that decision is up to you, whatever you feel comfortable with is the right choice for You,
There is a lot of full vans around and also a lot of poptops ?? They all can't have got it wrong, so it must be personal choice !! Happy Hunting dazren.
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Follow Up By: Ray - Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 08:45
Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 08:45
Pop tops have more moving parts and therefore more to go wrong. Heating and cooling is more expensive with a pop top as there is no insulation up there. Just my personal opinion and I have had a pop top.
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Follow Up By: dazren - Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 14:34
Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 14:34
Exactly as i said Ray, i to have had both, i to prefer a full van, that said i have never had any problems with a poptop and i have had 3 in the last 25 years.
All i meant to point out is there is your choice, my choice, and other choices, and they are all right !! if that is what the individual is happy with,, Rgs dazren
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Reply By: Peter B6 - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 09:04
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 09:04
Hi
John,
There are plenty of van options and opinions out there but the advice already given to "try before you buy" is a good one. We've had a few vans both pop top and full vans and each have their merits. I guess you have done all your "weights" homework first, It can be annoying to find the right van can't be towed by your tug.
Happy Hunting
Pete
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Follow Up By: John Z - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:21
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:21
G'day Pete,
Thanks for your advise, when I spoke to my mechanic he feels that my 2004 V8 Discovery should pull most vans. I did have a concern re the pulling power as I do a few kms in my job I had injected gas fitted for fuel economy: he tells me no worries on gas? hope so.
Big enough head ache looking for "B....y! vans.
Ta Pete,
John
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Follow Up By: Peter B6 - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:51
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:51
Hi
John
The Disco will be fine I think from memory yours is good for 3.5 tonne which is far more than is needed for your requirements. I drove one from
home Gippsland to Wagga and back with a car float with smallish tractor aboard just under 2 tonne all up and the disco pulled very
well (was a bit thirsty though), might be more the driver than the car?.
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Follow Up By: John Z - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:41
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:41
Thanks for that Pete,
I'll probly be the same till I get the hang of towing.
Been out all day, just got back looking at vans. at least we may have the car covered, so that a relief.
Jhn.
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Reply By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 09:52
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 09:52
Yes, I think your starting point is to establish what weight your vehicle is able to tow - this will give you your size limit. Any van dealer should know what you can pull with your car or you could find that in your handbook or ask the car dealer.
If I'm not mistaken, the Eagle is a wind-up camper and not a pop-top? I have had four pop-tops and not had any problem whatsoever with them but if pushed, I would go for a full van for the convenience of not having to pop the top and the extra cupboard space. I have had pop-tops because I can get them under my car-port. Regarding the brand, I wouldn't worry about that but would look to see which van suits the most. I have had three Coromals and presently have a Jayco and marginally prefer the Coromal but the individual van and your requirements are the important thing. I like the Coromal's independent
suspension and the extra clearance that brings which enabled us to tackle many a rough road but if you don't intend leaving the bitumen it isn;t much of an issue. You will hear good and bad about both brands but really there isn;t a lot to choose between them that you could generalise about.
Have a look here -
http://www.exploroz.com/Vehicle/Caravans/Default.aspx
some useful info if you look at the panel below the top you'll see a section on pop-tops you can click on amongst other stuff.
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Follow Up By: John Z - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:28
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:28
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your time and input, as mentioned to Ray (above) my wife now thinking of full vans: which my be more I'm 6' 2" and some pop tops where a nuisance to get in out of.
I think my V8 discovery should pull most vans: I'm to scared to ask about the suitability of the Discovery as a towing vehicle bad enough with the vans.
Will look at the link you supplied.
Regds,
John
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Follow Up By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:04
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:04
There's not much a Disco won't pull mate. A touch thirsty but easy towing. I had a '98 version a few years back. Lovely car but too thirsty. Spent 1000s more on a more economical diesel but the difference in cost of the two buys an awful lot of fuel.
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Follow Up By: John Z - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:44
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:44
I'v had gas conversion put on it a couple years back it goes
well and is not to thirsty on gas, hopefully will be economical towing a van.
Jhn
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Follow Up By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:00
Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:00
John
I had a similar setup and you'll find it will get through the gas pretty quickly and it can be a bit of a pain frequently topping up. Still probably the most economical way, dollarwise. Just make sure you have some ULP as a back up. (assuming you have both)
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Reply By: sassenach.girl - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:41
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:41
Fortunately (or unfortunately) you will get mixed opinions on almost every aspect of choosing a caravan. Jayco versus XYZ brand. Pop-top versus full height. On-board toilet/shower versus none. At the end of the day, it all comes down to personal preference, which is confusing for you as the advice you get is based on other people's preferences, budget, tow-vehicle, and what they've also been told! And it's almost always conflicting.
I recommend what others have suggested. Take into account your tow vehicles' weight specifications which will narrow the field. Then decide what chassis you want i.e. pop-top, full-height, expanding, etc. We chose a pop-top purely because it is easier for us to store at
home (less height), has less wind-drag behind our vehicle, and it has more usable height when popped up compared to the full-height vans we compared it to. We also ensured we had an internal shower/
toilet as we have
young children. If these factors aren't important to you, then your choice would obviously be different.
Buying a van is very subjective ... what I value is not necessarily what others might, which effects what you eventually buy.
Sass.
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Follow Up By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:00
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:00
...and what's more, whatever advice you are given, once you've had your first van for a short time, you'll probably do what most of us do and start thinking "I should've really got one that has one of those whatsits"
I was talking to a bloke about his motorhome recently (not that I want one) but he said "it's no use advising anyone on their first one because whatever it is, it'll be the wrong one after you've had it a while". I think there's a bit of truth in that and I'm sure there are exceptions but people do need a bit of guidance especially with the options that are now available.
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Follow Up By: John Z - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:52
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:52
Hi Sass,
Good advice from you and every body else it's good to opinions as a guide in the end we will still have to make the final decision. Today we find that our thoughts had changed from original ideas when we started looking couple of days ago.
A THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE CONTIBUTED AN OPINION OR ADVISE>
From
John & Kerrie.
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 16:11
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 16:11
Last September we went from a 16ft Regal off roader to a 18ft Jayco poptop Freedom standard van dual axle shower
toilet model and have done quite a few trips now with it.
Tows behind Patrol like a dream. And we DO love the convienience of the
toilet shower on board.
We have had several pop tops over the years and one solid van and do like the poptops because when in the warmer areas the added ventilation is great.
See
pic.
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Same one in Members
pic below.
Cheers Dodg.
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Follow Up By: John Z - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:54
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:54
G'day Dodg,
After the excursion today we have decided on a pop top for srorage etc.
We also narrowed down a coule of vans.
Thanks for your help.
John & Kerrie.
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Follow Up By: sassenach.girl - Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:56
Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:56
Ventilation up top -- is one of the reasons we went a pop-top too.
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Follow Up By: Ray - Monday, Jun 20, 2011 at 07:18
Monday, Jun 20, 2011 at 07:18
You both sound like fair weather campers????? Try a pop top in the middle of winter??????
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Monday, Jun 20, 2011 at 08:27
Monday, Jun 20, 2011 at 08:27
I suppose being snowed in doesn't count.
We were snug as a bug inside whilst outside the snow was almost up to the step and the vehicle was completely covered and frozen in.
The little heater we had never cycled off but maintained a reasonable 20% C.
We also camped at Smiths Mill in the
Grampians when it was Minus 7 %C and were kept comfy in the van with a gas heater.
But as said I would rather be in warm climates where I can fish and swim.
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Reply By: Member - Roger B (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 20:33
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 20:33
G'day
John. Eventually you'll buy a van that you like. Regardless of who built it. We went from a Jayco Dove camper van,1978 model, and it was a beauty too. And now have a Coromal Pop Top, 1988 model. Also a beauty. Easier for overnight stops. Especially if it's wet. It's a Coromal Lowline, 17 feet long and tows
well. I think I've added a picture!! Best of luck.
Roger B....Image Could Not Be Found
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Follow Up By: John Z - Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 21:00
Saturday, Jun 18, 2011 at 21:00
G'day Roger B,
Thanks for the photo and the best wishes, I know we will sooner ( I hope)rather than later find a van we can both agree on.
John
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 15:00
Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 15:00
Jayco & Coromal Pop Tops are Low Line Pop Tops with lower doors.
Most other brand Pop Tops have slightly higher walls and thus a full height door the same as a full size van.
I've had both vans and Pop Tops and marginaly. prefer vans. With our current
home we can't access the back yard with a van, hence we have another Pop Top.
For the budget you've quoted of mid $20K, I'd personally be looking at a better quality brand than the Jayco and Coromal. You'll find quite a few late model Pop tops between $20 and $30K.
Cheers, ozjohn.
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Follow Up By: achjimmy - Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 18:14
Sunday, Jun 19, 2011 at 18:14
I think you'll find the coromal pop tops are lower than the Jayco's? I am 6'1" and fit in through he door fine on the Jayco but struggle with the Coromal. Also the Jayco's fit walls cupboards as
well.
Yep we like the pop tops, when by the sea and that arvo breeze gets up the ventilation is fantastic.
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Reply By: geoff.will0 - Wednesday, Jun 29, 2011 at 23:57
Wednesday, Jun 29, 2011 at 23:57
John
I note you are 6'2" in the old money. I am about the same.
If you get a shower van DO NOT get one with a cross-facing bed that you have to walk around to get to the shower/
toilet.
When stopped for a few days, or even when travelling, you probably want to leave the bed extended (and may need a bit more length for your height) and getting around the bed will drive you nuts. You end up crawling over it each time.
I just sold a Jayco 21 that I loved in every way except the bed. The van towed beautifully and never faulted on the road, including on dirt down the Darling run etc. But the bed was a pain.
Geoff
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Follow Up By: John Z - Thursday, Jun 30, 2011 at 13:34
Thursday, Jun 30, 2011 at 13:34
Thanks Geoff,
Fortunately the Shwr/toiler is on the side, parallel to the bed, and therefore not in the way. we did see one in the configuration you mentioned and now with your input its fortunate that my dear wife didn't like the looks of it.
John
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