How long is a piece of string?

Good morning all,
This is one of those kind of questions. However, just getting a vague sense of possibilities would be helpful.
I have two batteries in line (no isolater) in an '87 Toyota Coaster. I have a 3 way fridge but find gas too expensive if camping. So some kind of indication would be helpful to the question, assuming both batteries are reasonably charged after a day of driving, as to how long I might I might run the 12volt option on the fridge if camped overnight before I might undermine starting capability?
As I said, `how long is a piece of string' but am interested in personal experiences.
Thanks in anticipation of some response.
Yours tropically, Harry
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Reply By: Shaker - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:07

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:07
These 3 way fridges are in their most inefficient mode running on 12 volt.
How much gas do you think that they use? I know that the old 35 litre Finch fridge use to consume 1/4 ounce an hour.
Maybe if you "take off 5" on your way to the campground you will be able to afford to run your fridge.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:14

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:14
As an example I just Googled a Dometic 80 litre fridge & it's consumption is an average of 270 grams per 24 hours.
That equates to a 9kg bottle lasting 33 days, or at a refill cost of, say $20.00, a running cost of 61 cents a day.
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Follow Up By: harryopal - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:15

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:15
Shaker, thanks for your reply but having a tiny brain I don't quite get what you mean buy "take off 5" .
Please enlighten me.
Yours tropically, Harry
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:28

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:28
He could mean take 5 minutes off your journey by driving faster and using more fuel but probably not !
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:39

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:39
In Victoria "Take off 5" is one of the TACs road safety messages, basically it means take off 5 kilometres an hour from your speed.
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Follow Up By: harryopal - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:01

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:01
Maybe the problem is my fridge which was called `Jackaroo' or something. It used up a smaller bottle in just 3 days. I should try a larger container.
Thanks for the responses.
Yours tropically, Harry
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 13:15

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 13:15
Maybe check for leaks in the gas plumbing or the thermostat.

As others have posted, my 3-way 55 litre Chescold would run for over two weeks, maybe three on a 4.5 kilo gas bottle - I don't really know because I was never parked up long enough to empty a bottle.

The gas flow is controlled by the jet and the thermostat. Jets may get blocked, they don't open up and allow more gas to pass through, so it's not the jet.

Could be the thermostat not allowing the fridge to cycle, in which case it will burn gasa continuously and overcool - unless you're in a hot environment (tropics?). Is your stuff getting too cold? If it is, then maybe the thermostat is not cycling and the fridge is running constantly.

If that's not it, then maybe there's a gas leak somewhere and that becomes a safety issue to be addressed ASAP.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 17:07

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 17:07
Frank P , hate to tell you the obvious but 3 way fridges when on gas do not and cannot cycle on and off , cant cycle on 12 volt either or on 240 volt for that matter , the only time the thermostat comes into play is on 240v when it limits the 240v element , NO compressor = NO cycling on /off.
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 23:14

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 23:14
Not obvious to me, Alloy.

How is it that I could change the degree of cold by twisting a knob on the control panel of my 3 way Chescold when on gas and 240? Agree it didn't work on 12V.

I could freeze the lettuce or not freeze it, which had a direct effect on the quality of the lunchtime menu :-)
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 20:01

Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 20:01
Maybe for the same reason as you can vary the speed of your vehicle by using the accelerator!
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 09:18

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 09:18
Shaker ,you got it in nice simple terms , turn the temp nob up = slightly more gas burn = fridge a bit cooler , same deal on the 240v , element a bit hotter , no such thing as CYCLING on /off with a 3way fridge.
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Follow Up By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 16:19

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 16:19
Chescold 3 ways do have a thermostat that controlls the cooling. Ours used to be controlled quite well by the rotary knob that controls the cooling. See here for what is inside.

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Jun 27, 2011 at 09:08

Monday, Jun 27, 2011 at 09:08
What part of the Enlish language dosn't get through to you people with 3 way fridges , A 3way fridge - gas -12v - 240v DOES NOT CYCLE ON OR OFF , yes you can vary the temperature on gas and 240v , that is NOT CYCLING ON OR OFF as Frank P states , the thermostat only controls the amount of power getting to the 240v heating element , more power = more heat , same on gas ,slightly bigger flame , NO CYCLING of a compressor either on or off.
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Reply By: Rockape - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:14

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:14
Harry,
1. We don't know the size of your battery's.
2. Those 3 ways draw around 15 amps so it will not take long to flatten a battery.
Say you have a deep cycle 100a/h battery in good nice it will flatten it in around 6 hrs.

I think you are better sticking with gas or buy a 12v compressor fridge. The other way is if it is cold enough switch it off at night

Have a good one,
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Reply By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:26

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:26
You don't say how big your fridge is, but even a small portable will draw about 12 amps on 12 volt. Let's allow 15 for a slightly larger fridge.

You don't say what sort of batteries you have, so again, a bit of a guess coming up. Lets say you had 200amp-hours total battery capacity in two dual-purpose batteries. (ie crank/deep-cycle) Now the set-up ypu have is not ideal for looking after batteries, so you probably won't have the maximum capacity. Lets be generous and give you 150 amp-hours.

Simplistically, 150 amp-hours divided by 15 amps gives you 10 hours until the batteries are flat. But it doesn't really work like that because battery capacity is worked out using a lower discharge rate, maybe 5 amps, so your time to flat will probably be less. I'm thinking maybe 6 or 7 hours, but admittedky it's a guess.

Now the batteries are flat - they won't crank an engine. AND your fridge has stopped and the contents are warming up.

You won't get cranking ability after overnight use of the fridge on 12 volt. I don't think you'll get it after 6 or 7 hours. You might get it after 3 or 4.

Use the gas, mate. It's why the fridge is 3 way. 12 volt is only for transit when it has an alternator to supply the power.

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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 16:44

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 16:44
Everything Frank has said is correct.
And may I add that everytime you bring the batteries below 50% you do damage to the battery and this is exey.
Get youself a 9kg bottle and run the fridge off that when stopped and you will find that it will last a long time.
Also 3 way fridges do not operate through the thermostat when on 12v but only when on Gas or 240v.

I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Reply By: Burto - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:53

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:53
How long is a piece of string, try twice the distance from the centre,

I agree with the above replies, my 3 way frig is very gas efficient.

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Follow Up By: Begaboy - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 18:41

Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 18:41
Or 2 x's 1/2 its length :)
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:13

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:13
G'day Harry, I'm at a loss to understand how your 3way is expensive on gas. My 25
year old Finch ran for 5 weeks..15 hrs a day.. & didnt use a 9kg bottle. In fact, that is
why I stick with it...there is no cheaper option to run a fridge when camped. While
I have no beef with the solar/battery brigade..set up is bloody expensive. Many 12v
users have issues because the wiring is inadequate..even new ones have this issue,
but when wired correctly work ok....but gas is the 3ways real advantage.......oldbaz.
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 17:06

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 17:06
Hi harryopal,
You don't say how big your 3 way fridge, I will presume it is a 90ltfridge/freezer. Which will use about between 600-750gms of gas in a 24 hour period depending on you thermostat setting and the weather(humidity and air temp).
This will also depend on the age of the unit and how good the seals are.
These fridges as others have said run better on Gas than 240/12V.
The element for the 12V will be anywhere up to a 150W or there abouts and will flatten a battery very quickly, even two.
If cost is your only concern with running it on gas, I would keep to the gas.
I take it your running the fridge on 12V while traveling as this the right thing to do, I also presume you free camp a bit to be running it on gas.
We have a 3 way 90 lt in our camper and run it on 12V while on the hop, 240V if staying in a park and if free camping run it on gas when stopped.
I would also check a few things if it wasn't running as it should.
Check the flue for blockages, Eg mud wasp nests in the exhaust, or in the vents at the rear. Check seals and the thermostat is working properly. Also clean were the flame is, soot builds up here which reduces it's performance.
Here is a link to aPDF File/Manual for a RM360 , these units are basically the same from model to model.

Hope this is of some help to you.
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 22:30

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 22:30
As said previously, you did not state what the fridge is. If it is a small one, your batteries will last about the same as leaving your headlights on. If it is one of the larger ones, you will kill the batteries quicker.




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Reply By: ao767brad - Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 23:26

Friday, Jun 24, 2011 at 23:26
The previous replies are all correct, we are on the road at the moment and our 4.5kg gas bottle has run the 90ltr dometic and cooking for 4 weeks free camping 70% of the time. 12volt by day when travelling, gas by night, you won't find a cheaper way if your fridge works and seals correctly.

A small 240/12v fridge will run about 4 days on 100amp/hr deep cycle which can be topped up on solar but 3 way fridge on 12volt is nearly impossible due to continued current draw due to no thermostat.
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Reply By: harryopal - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 09:43

Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 09:43
Good morning and thank you all so much for your replies.
Have a bonzer weekend.
Yours tropically, Harry
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