Toyota Injector Damage
Submitted: Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:12
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Dennis Ellery
Any injector specialists out there.
Last year my son brought a second hand 2009 model Hilux.
It had 30K on the clock and he has done another 40k.
Of late the engine warning light stays on whilst it is running.
Took it to the Toyota Dealer and was quoted $5000 for repair.
He said that the engine had unleaded petrol put through the injectors sometime in the past.
This would have to been over 40k ago, does this sound feasible?
Is this price about right?
Thanks for any informed advice - Dennis
Reply By: fisho64 - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:05
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:05
not to me no.
Im assuming its a diesel your talking about though?
Id struggle to believe that any damage done 40K ago could surface now, or how he could tell this was the case unless its noted in the Toyotas service history.
And if its noted in the Toyotas service history then it was repaired by Toyota and covered by their 100K 3 year repair warranty.
But how about some more info-what is the fault code?
Get a second opinion from a reputable diesel mob.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 15:50
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 15:50
Yep I should have made it clear - common rail diesel
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 14:57
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 14:57
G'day Dennis, all sounds a bit dodgy to me. Has the car any other symptoms other
than the warning light?. There are a few sensors that may trigger it. Take the good
advice already given & seek an independant opinion from a diesel specialist...oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 15:51
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 15:51
Yep oldbaz - it idles rough
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Reply By: garrycol - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 15:14
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 15:14
The
check engine light on my landrover came on and the diagnostic said there was a fault when engine shut down. All the so called experts (3 dealers and independents) said it needed new injectors and injection pump costing between $2500 and $3500 to repair.
Not convinced I checked the engine shutdown solenoid which had a little crud where it seats - allowing a little fuel to dribble into the engine when shut down causing the fault - took 15mins to fix.
Now your problem will be different but the moral is get plenty of opinions as repairers just want to replace things at your expense rather than just diagnosing the problem. Take everything they say with a grain of salt.
As to your costs - I would not have thought that 4 injectors installed would be anything like $5000. Also - don't go to dealers - they often do not know their cars and their labour rates are over the top - not called stealers for nothing.
Go to a independent toyota specialist or even a diesel injection
shop.
Garry
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 16:40
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 16:40
Unfortunalty common rail injectors for toyotas are $900 ea, , We had a hiace that had bad fuel put through it and it cost $9000 to fix, with new injectors and pump.
Good luck Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 16:52
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 16:52
I am not sure about all insurers, but last time a similar issue came up on this
forum I checked with my insurer GIO. They said that all repair costs would be covered in the event it was bad fuel or even if there was a failure as a result of me putting in the wrong fuel!! If it was my fault, then I had to pay the excess, but if it was bad fuel no excess. It pays to
check with your insurer.
The catch for the OP might be that he probably wouldn't be covered if it happened before he bought it or if it was a while ago.
:-(
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Follow Up By: lindsay - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 17:19
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 17:19
My brother has one of nthese and it had the injectors replaced at 10 thousand k's was done under warrantee. He was told they did have a problem with them.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 18:31
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 18:31
Wow - $900 and people say Landrover parts are expensive - a Range Rover Sport TDV6 injector is just over $700.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 18:47
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 18:47
Hopefully they will come down in price eventually.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 17:56
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 17:56
Run Dennis, run - go to a decent small diesel specialist - they probably won't rip off your arms and legs just to look at the car - and if they fix it, after paying for the work you won't end up hating them and everything about them, forever. Hey - you'll probably end up liking them :-o).
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Reply By: Honky - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 18:02
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 18:02
A friend had an earlier hilux and when his speedo cable broke the
check engine light came on.
Fixed the speedo and the light went off.
Honky
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Reply By: AlbyNSW - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 20:23
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 20:23
They did have some injector issues ,
mine is a 07 model and they replaced my injectors under warranty when it was nearly 3 years old due to it being noisy when cold.
I have heard of a number of injector replacements under warranty in the earlier ( 05 to 07 models) but not for a newer one like yours.
As others have stated, unless it is a warranty freeby I would go to a private diesel specialist for a diagnois / repair.
I don't buy the unleaded fuel 40 k ago story though.
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Reply By: Member - John B2 (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 21:09
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 21:09
Yes
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Follow Up By: Member - John B2 (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 21:15
Follow Up By: Member - John B2 (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 21:37
Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 21:37
My apologies I forgot to Mister Negativity
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:42
Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:42
John,
I see a list of my previous posts - thanks for that.
I find your other messages confusing – other than telling me to leave a foot print in the sand.
Am I missing something?
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Saturday, Jun 25, 2011 at 21:15
Reply By: Ray - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 09:57
Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 09:57
It makes you wonder these days regarding these "modern" diesel engined vehicles.
They seem OK till something happens. I can go a long way on $5,000.00 of petrol
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 16:09
Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 16:09
I take it when you mean "modern" your talking about the common rail engines.... that's been around for over 10 years?
Overall very reliable with more power, better economy and easier to drive then the "dinosaur" ones of yesteryears.
The funny thing if there are 10's of thousands of them out there and every now and again you read about ONE failing, reminds me of Michael Jacksons Thriller film clip when all the zombie's come out.... except on a
forum all the knockers come out.
When someone posts a problem about their dinosaur failing they get all the help and support...... the CRD ones just get s_____ given to them.
Why is this so?
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:12
Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:12
To all - I appreciate your efforts in trying to sort my son's problem.
It looks like it should be taken to a diesel or injector specialist for a second opinion - and a follow up with the insurer to see if its covered.
Thanks
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 17:26
Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 17:26
Dennis, it's a known problem. See the 120-odd pages on the subject in Pradopoint
here.
I had
mine done under warranty and saw the internal bill from the dealer to Toyota - over $7000 !!!!!
I think Toyota need to step up to the plate on this - with so many sufferers it is clearly a design problem.
Cheers
Frank
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