Change in oil useage for new common rail diesels

Submitted: Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:10
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I went to the shops today to buy some oil for my common rail diesel 4x4 and casually read the details on the can.

I was surprised to read a new exclusion on the can. Standard diesel oil 15w40.

"Not recommended for vehicles fitted with Diesel Particluate Filters or petrol engines with catalytic converters."

Now this was not on the previous can of oil I purchased so what has happened?

This can of 20litres of oil cost $99. There was another brand of fully synthetic oil which did say it was suitable but cost $109 for 10 litres.

So what gives? What are other people using in their common rail diesels?



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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:23

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:23
Yes, I noticed this as well.
Since my old Jap clunker doesn't have a particulate filter, I wasn't worried, just as long as it met Jaso DH-1.
A call to their help line is worth a try. I've found in the past that they're manned by real people with actual technical skills who are keen to talk about oils.

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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:43

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:43
Yep - if you fill out a contact form on their website or just send a simple email, a techo might even phone you back ! - can that be beat ?
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Reply By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:43

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:43
I am also most confused about what oils to use in the VDJ79R.
dealer told me they used Castrol Professional looked up website theres about 6 different ones
spoke to castrol help line and was told to use Magnatec 15W40 or Edge sport 5w-30
toyota handbook specs 5w-30 so I went that way even though its described by castrol as" recommended for highly tuned 4 cylinder engines and the latest technology vehicles requiring 5w30 viscosity."
surpose a v8 turbo diesel could be described as latest technology but hardly a "Fast 4"
fully synthetic but not cheap at $57 for 5 litres .
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Follow Up By: escapesilv - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:54

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:54
Hi Howard

I Have been using Castrol edge, Mobile 1 or equivalent from Gulf Western in Turbo Diesel and petrol cars for many years, and not had a problem.

Cheers Robert
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 17:00

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 17:00
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Follow Up By: Drew - Karratha - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 18:42

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 18:42
I use Mobil 1 - 5W50 in my 100 series TD - it lubricates better at startup, and protects the engine better when working hard. i think it would be fine in your V8. I get it at Repco for about $55 / 5L when on special - not cheap, but it is meant to be good...
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Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:58

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 13:58
These modern CRD's are becoming a nightmare to service correctly. For example, a Nissan Pathfinder manual does not have a particulate filter but the Auto does. This means the two vehicles take different oils. The same with a Hyundai Santa Fe. You have to check and double check your handbook for the oil specs. Cheers,Bob

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Reply By: Member Bushy 04(VIC) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 14:19

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 14:19
You have got watch all the time for changes as they do not often say that they have changed.
In my case I was advised by Penrite to go to Penrite SP diesel which is 10w-40 against the 5w-30 of the HPR5 Diesel
The SP also has a lot more written on the container.

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Reply By: Patrol22 - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 14:36

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 14:36
Can't go wrong if you read you handbook thoroughly. My D40 auto with DPF has a clear warning to only use low ash fully synthetic oils. Now if you fit a DPF delete pipe and remove the DPF you don't need to use this oil...but until my warranty is up I won't be removing the DPF and I will continue to use fully synthetic oil anyway.
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Reply By: gbc - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 17:43

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 17:43
Shell rimula x is what the dealer sticks in my colorado.
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Reply By: Member - Brad S (SA) - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 20:36

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 20:36
Castrol Edge, Magnatec, Mobile 1, Fuchs, Nulon...anything as long as it is "B4" specification.

Often the new common rail diesels do not require "diesel" oils and petrol engine oils are sufficient if not preferable. I prefer full synthetic oils but blends are good too.

Oil change interval is 7500km and I change the oil filter at the same time.

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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 21:03

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 21:03
Yes but if you have a DPF, it is imperative you use a low ash oil, or you will be up for $5000 for a new dpf.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 22:56

Sunday, Jun 26, 2011 at 22:56
Your write with the prices Pete, friends of ours have/had the new diesel xtrail and he had problems starting one day, got it towed to nissan and the problem was a blocked DPF, the reason given was he is not letting the vehicle get up to running temps for long enough for it to burn out through the exhaust, he was lucky they replaced it under warranty. He asked them how does he overcome the problem, answer was to run it at highway speeds for minimum of 1/2 hour at minimum speed of 80k, he said you got to be kidding I live in the city and bought it for economy. Badluck next time we wont be covering it under warranty, he has since sold the car..............
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Monday, Jun 27, 2011 at 13:31

Monday, Jun 27, 2011 at 13:31
Four of our Isuzu trucks have DPF s and they are a pain, because they do two diff cysles. One it will do a burn while you are driving, the other you are supposed to pull over and let it ilde while it does its thing. Recently had a truck tilt trayed back to the dealer in orange as it went into limp mode because the renter did not let it do its thing.
We have also had to replace a DPF in a d40 as the serviceing mechanic put the wrong low ash oil in it.
Think I will stick to low maintance trouble free petrols lol.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Tuesday, Jun 28, 2011 at 05:07

Tuesday, Jun 28, 2011 at 05:07
Just take in your vehicles manual, and have it open in front of you when you choose oils....

Especially 2000 model on Nissan Owners......and could be before that
There is a section in recomended iols called .."Except for Europe"... and that means Australia.

Please study it when changing oils, and do not believe sales staff at retail outlets.

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