Air horns are illegal in NSW?
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:01
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Member - Boo Boo (NSW)
The troopy has failed to pass the roadworthy because of its air horn.
I have had a small air horn on the troopy for about 6 years and never had a problem with the roadworthy.
This time my son took it to Kmart in
Newcastle somewhere to get a Pink slip and was told that the air horns were illegal.
He now has to go and buy a horn to suit a 75 series troopy. Thats ok, but I can't remember wher the horn was in the troopy. Can anyone tell me where the horn fits so I can help my non mechanic son put the horn in place.
I,m still in
Halls Creek and can't remember where the old horn use to be.
Reply By: ozjohn0 - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 17:06
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 17:06
Boo Boo,
Take it back to the bloke that knocked you back and get him to do the Roadworthy again for free as he's talking a load of ......
Quote the following to him.
NSW Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulations 2007 (Current version Jul 2011)
Clause 33
Horns, alarms and the like
(1) A motor vehicle must be fitted with at least 1 horn or other device that can give sufficient audible warning to other road users of the approach or position of the vehicle.
(2) A motor vehicle must not be fitted with a device that can make a sound like the sound of a siren, exhaust whistle, compression whistle or repeater horn.
It goes on to say what vehicles are exempt etc such as Police cars.
Cheers, Ozjohn.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:34
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:34
My prado has two horns under the bonnet (factory fitted) and they are different tones, one slightly higher tone then the other, so definately cant see why 2 air horns would be ilegal ?? Going by your copy from the rta seems they are fully legal. I would personally just whack another horn on to keep him happy, He might become a real prick and try and find every thing he can on the 4b and leave you with a list as long as your arm for minor things, mind you sounds like he's done that already...........
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:24
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:24
Mate
you are quite right.
My daughter is a Miss piggy in nsw and I rang her and she came back with the same answer.
Although I must admit I still can't find that regulation even when I type all that info in, but I won't tell my daughter that.
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Follow Up By: Tim - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 23:06
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 23:06
If you go to the legislation, www.legislation.nsw.gov.au and then go to
-Browse
-Regulations in Force
-Road Transport (vehicle registration)
Then scroll down the left hand menu to "Schedule 2", all vehicle standards are contained in that schedule.
Tim
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08
Well I finallly rang the RTA.
The gentleman there said that the regulations may say one thing but the rules say another.
He refered me to rule 105.10, the same rule that Kmart refered me too. I think he mentioned AIS, but I can't be sure as I was getting a bit frustrated at the stupidity of the situation.
Basically it says air whistle and compressor whistle airhorns are not legal.
I asked where I could look at it on the internet and was told it was not available to the public.
As I said I'll buy another horn, but I might also pursue this a bit further if I can because the regs seen to be in conflict.
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 14:00
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 14:00
Back to my previous reference to
"NSW Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulations 2007 - Clause 33"
Air Horns ARE legal.
Providing they don't sound like an emergency vehicle or similar.
That would exclude musical horns, but a standard air horn that just blasts a note would be permitted.
The regulations are quire simple and without any hidden meanings.
I can't undertand how anyone, epecially a Roadworthy Inspector (Mechanic) could assume otherwise.
Cheers, Ozjohn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 15:07
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 15:07
Ozjohn
I agree with you. However, Kmart and the RTA bloke bothe refer to rule 105.10.
What annoys me is that the public can't get access to the rule book they kept refering too.
The RTA bloke had a fairly poor attitude and was not interested in listening to me about Regulation 33.
I am going to email my local member and see if this can be sorted out. Although it will probably take ages.
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 15:16
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 15:16
This is the 'rule that they use to reject a vehicle as unroadworthy.
105.10
Check the operation of the horn.
Reasons for rejection
a) the horn is not working;
b) the horn is of the following types: exhaust whistle, compression
whistle, siren or alternating tone (reversing alarms are acceptable).
This appears to contradict Regulation 33!
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