Air horns are illegal in NSW?
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:01
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Member - Boo Boo (NSW)
The troopy has failed to pass the roadworthy because of its air horn.
I have had a small air horn on the troopy for about 6 years and never had a problem with the roadworthy.
This time my son took it to Kmart in
Newcastle somewhere to get a Pink slip and was told that the air horns were illegal.
He now has to go and buy a horn to suit a 75 series troopy. Thats ok, but I can't remember wher
the horn was in the troopy. Can anyone tell me where
the horn fits so I can help my non mechanic son put
the horn in place.
I,m still in
Halls Creek and can't remember where the old horn use to be.
Reply By: Fatso - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:07
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:07
Geez Boo Boo, you could realy cop some flack asking questions like "where did
the horn used to go?" on a
forum mate.
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Follow Up By: Roughasguts - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:20
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:20
look up near the grill, around radiator o/flow bottle etc also the original wiring could have still been used so trace that back to the original plug.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:35
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:35
Yeh your probably right.
How do you think I got the name Boo Boo? LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:37
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:37
Thanks RAG
Now that you mentioned it I think I put part of the air horn in the same place as the old horn.
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Reply By: Member - Rob S (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:42
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:42
It would be easier to go get another rego
check some were else.It is not realy a big saftey issue.you will be up for another $35though.
Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:00
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:00
Rob, I believe you can't do that anymore as once you have started with one inspection station you have to complete the
check there. Beside the guy would have written up the defect and it would now be in the system
They bought that in to stop people shopping around for a pass. afaik.
Cheers, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rob S (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:54
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:54
Hi Bruce.
I thought the same, so i tested the system
Last year my daughter took her car to kmart for a rego
check and they didn't pass it,with written defect.
Very minor stuff.
I took it the same day, to my regular bloke who even dose blue slips as
well.
And didn't mention the previous inspection, passed it ok. just cost me another $35.
I think you have to be carefull as they want the repair work. trying it on with the unwary.
Mind you i don't condone driving unroad worthy cars either.
Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - Vince M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 07:56
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 07:56
Bruce your correct, However you can take it else where & there are more forms to fill out & you may flag a vehicle audit. At work now we have had 2 employees have there cars checked on site by RTA, one was fine & the other got defected (window tint) & the 2nd inspection station (local) got a $3000 fine & warning that he may loose inspection station accreditation
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Follow Up By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 07:56
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 07:56
for you to go to another rego
check station you have to wait a month for the one to expire. OR YOU FACE FINES AND THE STAION YOU NEXT GO TO COPES A FINE ASWELL.
so go throw a secondhand one on doesn't matter as long as you have the required horn, because the finger out the window is illegal too, lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 07:57
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 07:57
oopsy, doesn't matter where, even if close to air horns and uses the wires for air horn
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Reply By: Andrew - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 16:00
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 16:00
Ask them to show you the rule that says air horns are illegal.
Musical type horns aren't allowed but there is nothing in the national rules about the type of device as long as it only produces one continuous tone.
The idea being that it is obviously a horn and not an emergency vehicle noise or annoying music (now there's an opening)
regards
A
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Follow Up By: bruce b2 - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 16:21
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 16:21
i like you're thinking about annoying music, andrew - what about one that plays "Greensleeves" and then booboo can sell icecreams from his troopy
cheers - bb
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:02
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:02
Now there's a thought Boo Boo.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:27
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:27
No pun intended, but listen here you two Bruces. LOL
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Follow Up By: SDG - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 20:47
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 20:47
It is not illegal to have musical air horns fitted to the vehicle. It is however illegal to use them. This applies to standard air horns as
well. You are suppose to have a seperate switch to operate them. They can't be controled from the steering wheel bit where the standard horn is controlled from.
Have a look at trucks for example. Theirs are controlled from a rope/wire setup at the top of the door. Seperate fron the steering wheel where the standard horn is.
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Reply By: olcoolone - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 16:45
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 16:45
Before going to far I would challenge them as air horns are legal as long as they are single tone and under a certain decibel.
That means most new Kenworths hitting the road are illegal.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 20:18
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 20:18
Spot - on - single tone air horns are legal - dual are not - some cars have air horns as standard fit.
Garry
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Reply By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 17:01
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 17:01
Boo Boo
i have air horns fitted to my Navara,when its rego time i just use the power wire for the air ones to plug back into the original horn.
was legal at the time of rego ;-)
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 17:06
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 17:06
Boo Boo,
Take it back to the bloke that knocked you back and get him to do the Roadworthy again for free as he's talking a load of ......
Quote the following to him.
NSW Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulations 2007 (Current version Jul 2011)
Clause 33
Horns, alarms and the like
(1) A motor vehicle must be fitted with at least 1 horn or other device that can give sufficient audible warning to other road users of the approach or position of the vehicle.
(2) A motor vehicle must not be fitted with a device that can make a sound like the sound of a siren, exhaust whistle, compression whistle or repeater horn.
It goes on to say what vehicles are exempt etc such as
Police cars.
Cheers, Ozjohn.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:34
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:34
My prado has two horns under the bonnet (factory fitted) and they are different tones, one slightly higher tone then the other, so definately cant see why 2 air horns would be ilegal ?? Going by your copy from the rta seems they are fully legal. I would personally just whack another horn on to keep him happy, He might become a real prick and try and find every thing he can on the 4b and leave you with a list as long as your arm for minor things, mind you sounds like he's done that already...........
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:24
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:24
Mate
you are quite right.
My daughter is a Miss piggy in nsw and I rang her and she came back with the same answer.
Although I must admit I still can't find that regulation even when I type all that info in, but I won't tell my daughter that.
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Follow Up By: Tim - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 23:06
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 23:06
If you go to the legislation, www.legislation.nsw.gov.au and then go to
-Browse
-Regulations in Force
-Road Transport (vehicle registration)
Then scroll down the left hand menu to "Schedule 2", all vehicle standards are contained in that schedule.
Tim
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Reply By: Member - OnYaBike - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 17:20
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 17:20
Why not wire a cheapie from auto store and leave the airhorns in place for reconnecting in case the new owner prefers them.
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Reply By: Wilko (Parkes NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:56
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:56
Hi Boo Boo,
We certainly live in the "tell you how to live your life state". NSW is the Nanny state.
Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 21:13
Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 21:13
Most likely not that they are illegal, but just dont count as your primary audbile warning device?
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:08
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:08
Well I just rang kmart and he said that according to the RTA its illegal if it is an air compressor type. I think he was refering to the air whistle mentioned in the regulation.
I can't budge him, so I will get my son to put a Legal horn on then disconnect it when it passes.
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08
Well I finallly rang the RTA.
The gentleman there said that the regulations may say one thing but the rules say another.
He refered me to rule 105.10, the same rule that Kmart refered me too. I think he mentioned AIS, but I can't be sure as I was getting a bit frustrated at the stupidity of the situation.
Basically it says air whistle and compressor whistle airhorns are not legal.
I asked where I could look at it on the internet and was told it was not available to the public.
As I said I'll buy another horn, but I might also pursue this a bit further if I can because the regs seen to be in conflict.
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 14:00
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 14:00
Back to my previous reference to
"NSW Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulations 2007 - Clause 33"
Air Horns ARE legal.
Providing they don't sound like an emergency vehicle or similar.
That would exclude musical horns, but a standard air horn that just blasts a note would be permitted.
The regulations are quire simple and without any hidden meanings.
I can't undertand how anyone, epecially a Roadworthy Inspector (Mechanic) could assume otherwise.
Cheers, Ozjohn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 15:07
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 15:07
Ozjohn
I agree with you. However, Kmart and the RTA bloke bothe refer to rule 105.10.
What annoys me is that the public can't get access to the rule book they kept refering too.
The RTA bloke had a fairly poor attitude and was not interested in listening to me about Regulation 33.
I am going to email my local member and see if this can be sorted out. Although it will probably take ages.
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 15:16
Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 15:16
This is the 'rule that they use to reject a vehicle as unroadworthy.
105.10
Check the operation of
the horn.
Reasons for rejection
a)
the horn is not working;
b)
the horn is of the following types: exhaust whistle, compression
whistle, siren or alternating tone (reversing alarms are acceptable).
This appears to contradict Regulation 33!
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