A question for the old bushies

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Have noticed many old fence posts in my travels in the outback,some fences many miles long made from split logs.What I want to know is most have holes drilled through the posts for up to three strands of wire how did these Fencers get the barb wire to pull through the holes and stop the barb wire from catching. I can understand plain wire but still it must have been hard work.
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Reply By: Member- Tony C - Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 20:29

Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 20:29
Hello Carl,
I haven't run barb through posts since helping Dad fencing years ago. We used to drill a larger hole about 1'' and it used to pull through ok. Although it would catch a bit with good gloves and a good free running spinner it would pull through ok. Thankfully a lot less barb is used these days.
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Reply By: Member - Keith P (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 20:33

Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 20:33
In all my years on the land in a previous life repairing old fences (some around a 100 years old) I have never seen barbed wire pulled thru a drilled hole in a wooden fence post. It was either on top of post with a wire tye through the hole ...or tied onto side of post with a wire tye thru the drilled hole. Another reason why I believe it never happened is that a lot of fencers (me included) strained the barb up on each segment of fence between 2 strainer posts to get a straight line in which to place panel posts...either holes dug for wooden ones or steel droppers (star posts) driven by hand with a purpose built post driver.
Now maybe there is a way to pull barb thru fence post holes that I never knew about....but I bet after a half dozen posts there would be a good dose of foul temper and blue air about...not to mention blood everywhere.

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Follow Up By: Member - peter h (SA) - Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 20:42

Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 20:42
i agree ionly attach barb to outside but have drilled a hole for a tie wire
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Follow Up By: Brian Purdue - Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 21:21

Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 21:21
You "strained the barb from strainer post to strainer post"? Surely you jest! And then you dug the holes under the barbed wire? I dips me lid to you!
I have not fenced a paddock in over 60 years but shudder to think of the skinned knuckles that would have resulted.
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith P (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 21:38

Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 21:38
The strains were usually the length of a roll of hinge joint netting...about 220 yards from memory.
The barb was strained in a straight line....and then walked along to get a good shake every 50 yards or so so the stretch would even up and it would fall in a straight line...then each post hole was marked and the barb kicked aside at each hole...and then replaced against post after it was installed. Common sense was used and AFAIK...no one got cut or scratched any more than normal handling of the barb did.
For that length of strain to keep the barb up off the ground and straight you would need strainer posts 12 foot in the ground with railway line stays....so common sense prevailed....and believe it or not ...the completed fence line was as straight as needed for all practical purposes.
Worked for me ...and I built miles and miles of the bloody horrible things over the years

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 22:05

Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 22:05
Strainer posts 12 feet into the ground??

Better man than me, I've never see a shovel more than 5ft or a crow bar more than 7foot.
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith P (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 22:18

Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 22:18
HA HA...it was togue-in-cheek.
previous poster just assumed that the barb was at post height off the ground while working beside it...and it was just my way of explaining as to how that wouldnt work ...as you just pointed out. Nope...the posts were normal strainers...and the barb was under tension in a straight line along the ground for about 2/3rds to 3/4s of the strain length. The fence line was graded and cleaned beforehand...and the system actually worked sweet as...even over slow rises and lower ground.

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Follow Up By: Brian Purdue - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:20

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:20
TOGUE-In-CHEEK or not. I found that barbed wire came in coils. If you just spead it out it would tangle making a lot of work. This comment is not just TONGUE-in-cheek either. The line was "graded"? You had a grader to level the ground? Woopsie-do you were modern. Post hole digger as well? WOW! Being a little long in the tooth we used to cut the posts on the job, With an AXE! And like Mark used a crowbar and shovel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wozikev - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:34

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:34
I've split thousands of split Jarrah posts, but never tried to run barb through 'em. Couple of sighter steels donged in first, then strainers every 10 chain, 4 foot in the ground, and splits in between with the barb tied on top and/or sides. Couldn't guess how many miles I've done, but 40 odd years worth. Nothin' better than looking back along a finished new fence, then time for a shandie or two.
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 17:33

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 17:33
Keith - Most of the fences up this way have the wire pulled through the holes in the post. Our property has as well

Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Robert K3 - Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 21:15

Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 21:15
Still being built as a pretty standard fence in Queensland but now instead of all split posts its usually 1 wood and 3-4 steel posts. The wood posts are much stronger and stable than the the steelposts which livestock will run straight over.

As to the construction method we thump the wood posts in, drill a 1" hole with an Atom Borer on a chainsaw. Usually we have the barb on a frame on the back of a Landcruiser, with a good pair of gloves start pulling, usually you get through the first half dozen posts easily then it gets a little harder. we use a small tractor with a carryall and on one side we have an attachment like wirestrainers which we attach the wire to. Simple task of driving close to the fence with another person threading it through the hole and reattaching to the tractor every post. The top wire is done first so if the barb goes slack it doesn't catch on the wires below.

Once you are experienced at it only takes a few minutes to run a 3-400m section of fence beween strainers.

There you go

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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 19:07

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 19:07
Now you have confused everyone, whats this metric stuff..... every one else is talking foot, mile, chain, yard.... LOL

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Reply By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 00:42

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 00:42
You blokes must like makin' life hard for ya-selves (LOL)

When I was doin' it (40-odd yrs ago), we used a length of plain wire..

Simply run the plain thru all the posts, from one strainer to the next.. roll of barb on a spinner, tie the end of barb to the plain, other end of the plain is tied to the ute (or tractor), then simply drive said ute (or tractor) at a steady pace 'till the end of at the barb is at the next strainer.. unhook wire from ute, drive back to where end of barb is (at strainer post), strain 'er up, then run the plain back down the line (thru all the posts), & repeat the process...

If the posts were close together, we could run 2 at a time.. easy peasy ;-))

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Follow Up By: Member - Michael and Chris (QL - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:06

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:06
Ed C
Seems strange how others make a hard job even harder. I use the same method as you making sure that you run the barb from the "bark" side (bark being removed of coarse) as that side is easier to get the barb thru. I have been able to show the kids fences I put up 25 years ago and still in good repair (straight too). I would find it a pain to repair a fence that the barb was tied to the split post. Cheers Mick
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Follow Up By: Bravo 191 - Sunday, Aug 07, 2011 at 18:48

Sunday, Aug 07, 2011 at 18:48
That's the way it was done when I was knee high to a post hole shovel. Holes bored with a drill powered by tractor PTO, a flexible drive cable to a hand held device which had three coned wheels, two small ones on the drive shaft, one driving the drill bit. Two hand grips, choice of which way you twisted them selected clock or anticlockwise rotation.

Then a plain wire through the top hole, brabed wire tied on and pull it through then return the plain wire through the next row of holes. Repeat until finished then strain it all up nice and tight and watch the cranky old guernsey cow try to crawl through.

Tying barbed wire to a fence post with plain wire was for the lazy farmers. We didn't have weekender hobby farmers back then. Did I mention that every post hole was dug with crowbar and shovel regardless of ground type varying from nice sandy loam to more rocks than soil.
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 00:43

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 00:43
I did miles of fencing in my day too but never put the barb through any holes, we use the wire ties. We use the old hand brace and bit to bore all the holes as well, the truck was used to strain the wire, geez I think about it now and wonder how we got so far so quickly, no wonder the shoulders and arms ache so much these days. LOL

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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 08:59

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 08:59
Well ,you live & learn. I've never seen barb pulled through drilled post holes either.
Must be a Qld thing. Although I dont doubt it is possible I cant help feeling the
process must bend most of the barbs along the axis, therefore defeating the purpose of the barb in the first place. I have only ever tied the barb on the side or top of the posts with a short piece of plain wire..twisted in opposite directions. The barb is run out by tying one end to a strainer ..placing coil on a wire spinner & driving a vehicle the length of the strain, the barb unrolling as you go.
If you happen to lose the end it can recoil a long way & you have a tangle. The same can occur with pre fab hinge joint fencing too. The worst part is I am still fencing
... been at it , on & off, for 50 years....but so has anyone with acreage.......oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: carlj - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:14

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:14
Thanks to all, no matter how it is done it appears to be one of those jobs that has to be done but nobody wants to.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 15:07

Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 15:07
Not just Qld, Oldbaz.

Take a drive along Putty road, and through Howes Valley, there plenty of "barb - through - posts" fencing. Got me stuffed why they do it, just as easy to bore smaller holes, and tie the barb onto the post.

Maybe it stops the "poddy-dodgers" getting through the fences easily?

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Reply By: Brian Purdue - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:02

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:02
Nothing like a mob of old farts reminising. A long time ago for me - about 60 years. The barbed wire came in coils then but I recall that it came later wound on a frame and it must have been easier. I was in the horse and sulky days and a good horse would just follow along slowly.
I have travelled the old Rabbit (now VERMIN!!) Proof Fence and am surprised how good the fence is in many places. Those old fellows must have been very hardy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:49

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:49
Brian, talking of old farts & barb wire, I wonder if you have ever been to Bull Sale,
& the auctioneer while singing the praises of a certain animal will say.. "This bull
could get a calf from a coil of barb wire....". That saying is a bit of a legend around
southern NSW....:)))))).....oldbaz.
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Reply By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:52

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:52
Like many of the other posters I have built bloody miles of fences and whilst I always drilled a hole through the posts to attach a tie wire to tie the barb on the outside of the post..........others have not

YES I have seen barb pulled through the holes of the wooden posts. I know a bloke who always did it routinely...and he swore it did not catch in doing so as much as one would have thought ............

and at times I have looked at his jobs and the barb did not appear to have been bent ot distorted in the process of pulling throgh as much as one woud think

Not a common practise but yes it does happen despite all the other experts saying it does not



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Reply By: Fred G NSW - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:53

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:53
Nothing like a mob of old farts reminising.......

Absolutely.

I am 63 and still bear the scars of where I put the old mans crowbar through my left big toe when I was about 9, while helping him fence LOL.

I used to love driving the old blitz down the line in 1st gear running out the wire, standing up behind the wheel.

I guess most of the old blokes had a method that worked best for them, with the equipment they had available, and they all differed, except those that only used shovels and crowbars and hand auger drills.

Great "POST" LOL carlj. Thanks all for reviving a few old memories.

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Reply By: Member - Corrugate75 - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 16:44

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 16:44
See if you blokes were all a bit smarter you'd know that you run plain wire through the post holes first, then you go back and tie up little short barb bits on last...
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Reply By: Tonyfish#58 - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 17:36

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 17:36
Carlj - Yes most of the fences up this way have the barb pulled through the holes in the post.

And as stated above the wire does not catch up very much.

Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 15:49

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Reply By: Brian Purdue - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 17:53

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 17:53
I seem to have stirred a hornet's nest. By way of backing out I offer the solution used by my neice and her husband. They threw ALL the barbed wire away from the property and replaced it with an electric wire. They tell me that withinn weeks you could turn the power off and the cattle would stay away from the fences. Seems they do not like the little "bitee thing" and wont take the risk.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duke (TAS) - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 19:24

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 19:24
Interesting thread. Back in the late 50,s on a dairy farm on the NW Coast of Tassie me old man and me self built miles and miles of new fences. First job was to find a good hardwood tree with straight grain then fall it and split the post,s. Next was to clear the fence line and place sighting pegs on the line where the fence was going to be erected. Then step out the distance for the post, line up with a crow bar and mark where the hole goes. Dig the hole and ram the post in tight. Insert all Strainers and posts. Next the crow bar was passed through the hole in roll of wire and and with one on each side the wire was rolled out ,strained and stapled to the post with galvanized staples. Normally 5 or 6 strands was used with 3 Hard Wood droppers between each post.Very satisfying work when one could look down the line of a finished fence. A work of Art.
Duke
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Reply By: Wilko (Parkes NSW) - Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 19:22

Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 19:22
Hi Carl,

Its really easy to do fencing, prob the easiest job a farmer can do. I call up the local fencer and magically it gets done : )

Never seen the wooden strainers with holes that barb goes thru, we alway nailed it to the side of the post.

Cheers Wilko
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