Why buy new ?
Submitted: Thursday, Nov 27, 2003 at 13:40
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marcus
Hi all,
Over the years i have bought new and second hand and it is a great feeling picking up that new car.These days a decent 4x4 will set you back around $50,000 then govt charges etc and then what accessories you want.After setting it up to do the driving you will do ,this new car would need to be around for say ten years coz after two years depreciation will have wiped in some cases $15,000-$20,000 from the purchase price.What is causing the high rate of depreciation?.Is it that low interest rates are making buying new more affordable thus creating a surplus of used vehicles and to sell them the price must drop.Have been checking the used market and believe that it is a buyers market for second hand with 2000 models for example with extra's going for around 60% of new .Might be a while before i buy new again.The new car market is still strong though despite a loan of four years plus interest would leave you with a vehicle worth less than half of what you have just paid off.Any thoughts mark
Reply By: Mark - Thursday, Nov 27, 2003 at 14:31
Thursday, Nov 27, 2003 at 14:31
On the face of it, you are right for a "private" buyer. However, look at the generous fleet discount of ~$7,000 for say a Patrol plus tax breaks for using it for some work purposes. A higher initial cost results in a higher tax deduction. After say 3 years, the $50K (list price) vehicle is now worth say $35K.
Factor in the fleet discount and the $3,000 per annunm tax refund and the actual cost is $50K - (3x$3K + $7K) = $34K
(Note that there have been some simplification of costs, but end result is similair - GST is paid on payout figure, not purchase price etc...)
So, apart from running and maintenance costs, the vehicle has cost nothing!!! (interest cost not included). This is why business's and govts all use new vehicles. The interest does cost $$$, but I personally do not mind paying that as the "cost" of a new vehicle vs a 2nd hand one. Also, there are no repair costs (still under warranty) unlike a vehicle 5 or so years old - basically pays the interest.
The poor old private buyer gets slugged both ways, no fleet discount and no tax break. And thats why the private buyer typically goes the 2nd hand route. It also supplies a ready market for the 3 year old fleet market that needs to be turned over.
I hope this helps explain the vehicle cycle to some degree.
Cheers
Mark
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Follow Up By: marcus - Thursday, Nov 27, 2003 at 15:57
Thursday, Nov 27, 2003 at 15:57
There are some exceptions like if i was a farmer who wanted a patrol coil cab and was entitled to a primary producers tax exemption then claimed all running costs.By the time i sold it at market value and claimed the depreciation the losses would be minimal.
Anybody got a hobby
farm going cheap?
mark
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR - Saturday, Nov 29, 2003 at 20:37
Saturday, Nov 29, 2003 at 20:37
Not that I saw red when I saw Marcus comment but just remind anyone that if there is a significent reason to be able to claim the GST component and depreciation as a business, it is not farmers but any business that can claim it.
There is no need to try to perpetuate the misinformation here as farmers get no tax breaks better than another.
I hope people get caught on the hobby
farm tax if a non earner trying to rort the system.
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Reply By: Phil G - Thursday, Nov 27, 2003 at 19:32
Thursday, Nov 27, 2003 at 19:32
I got sick of maintaining my previous Cruiser. Would have had to spend a lot of money on new seats, LR tank, gearbox repair, tyres, swivel housing service etc etc
Bought the new Prado diesel instead, and do my own maintenance. I've spent nothing but the cost of oils and filters; and I have done some remote desert trips with confidence of knowing the vehicle's in top condition.
I bought the vehicle new because it was the same price as near-new.
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