Great Wall feedback.

MMM,
Is the echo down the time tunnel ringing your ears yet?
Ignore the chinese if you wish, but the fact is ALL of their engineers are western trained (had a look at an australian uni lately?) they buy the best robots, computers and CNC machines from Germany and Japan money can buy, they are applying ISO standards to a lot of their products. They are where the japanese were 10 yrs ago and catching up quickly.
Yes they can make utterly cheap c r a p , on the other end of the scale they can produce stuff to rival the japanese, australians, koreans etc.
They have a space program, they learn from others and have a plan.
In 10 yrs they will out sell the japs.

Absolutely as guzzi said - China has the capacity to produce quality goods and will increasingly do so. Which company is more likley to have a few slack workers in the assemby process: China or Australia (or the US for that matter)?

People used to bump on about "jap crap" years ago. How many of you are driving Toyotas?

Give me an email addy and I will sent the pics of the catamaran twin runway aircraft carrier they are building to be launched in 2015.....and as of now they are the only country that has ever shot down a satelite addmitedly it was one of theirs.
They are well above the dimsim cookers of the past.

Gday Gaz
Dim sims come from Taiwan not China

I have NO DOUBT whatsoever the Chinese will eventually produce a high quality product matching the Japanese ! My tongue in cheek comment was pretty much a "quote unquote " from a very good friend of mine who has spent the last 12 years living in the Shenzhen Province and is indirectly associated with the Great Wall Car company ! He is a motor mechanic by trade and is now a qualified engineer who has business dealings with the above mentioned car company and on his last visit back home to Australia ( where he just couldn't get enough bread rolls ) said " the Chinese will need another 7 to 10 years before they can match what Japan has done in not only the motor industry but most of what they produce " The biggest problem they have, apparently, is to actually produce spare sparts and to make the spare parts identical ! I think it will be great when we see quality 4wd's enter Australia at very competitive prices !!

Happy Travelling

Gazz

Ps Hey MUZBURY - thanks for the heads up on the dim sim thing, I will put that on page 9 in my book of stiff sh-t information !

Gazz

No problem, i'm full of that type of information

sandk33 you can send those pics to me please at goerke@bigpond.net.au.


Fred.

Gday Gaz
Sorry old son, i was wrong with my information. Dim Sim's are a Melbourne invention. Made by Elizabeth Chong"s father .

Has been sent Fred.

Howz it going MUZBRY ? - you are obviously a very knowledgeable fellow to be coming up with these most informative and interesting facts ! For years I have been asking myself " I wonder where Dim Sims come from ? " I have spent many a sleepness night wondering, I have asked the question around the campfire on my tours and at one stage I even asked my ex wife ( WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING ) and even she had no idea ! Who would have thought the answer could be found on one of Australia's leading 4wd / camping websites ??? I take my Akubra off to you fine sir ! Mate - would I be pushing my luck to test your skills again ? Something else has been bugging me for years - to the point where what's left of my once fine head of hair is turning grey and dissappearing faster than a V6 rodeo uses petrol - Why do mens shirts have the buttons on the right and womens shirts have their buttons on the left ?? Get this intriguing and baffling fact right and I will have to invite you on one of my very non informative 4wdriving / camping trips !

All the best MUZ

Gazz

Gday Gaz
The button hole is on the left with mens shirts , and womens are on the right. When a man dose them up we do it ourselves. Ok. When in the old days when shirts were invented, women had a maid to do the job, so the button is on the right and the hole is on the left .

So when is the next trip ?

Hey MUZ - awesome ! Next you will be telling me who invented the mop bucket ! Hey Mate you are welcome to come on my next trip but somehow I don't think you would enjoy it ! See, I think most people in this country get life too easy, so after setting up my 1st tour company back in 1998 and things just went to plan and no-one complained I decided to set up another tour company. Now because of the self promotion rule on this great site I can't give you the name or details of my new company but a man of your intellect should be able to work out that it sort of rhymes with missed tossed and lungry tours ! What we do is we never take maps or gps because ? you always get to your destination - where's the fun in that ? If we need an additional 80 litres of fuel we only take 50 ! If it's a 10 day trip we take at least 60 cases of beer, 4 packets of panadol, two tubes of Berocca, 1 packet of cashews 2 packets of crackers, 2 cold pies each - quickeze are optional and a texta ! Deck chairs are forbidden along with toilet paper, matches and any form of lighting ! When we get lost and someone tells us to turn left at the next junction we ALWAYS turn right ! You getting the picture now ? I think there are too many soft people in this country who whinge at the most trivial thing ( couple lads even complained when I left the cords to the Trailblazers at home ) so I started these HTFU trips. As a special treat for my paying customers on the next trip I will be providing music. Playing 24/7 for the duration of the trip ( never to be turned off and at least on 3/4 volume ) will either be the Spice Girls - what I want what I want what I really really want or Billy Ray Cyrus's Achie Breakie Heart ! Not sure which one to take - what's your thoughts on this dillema ? And I won't even start on the dry ice bombs or the aerosol cans in the fire !
Now MUZ, if for one minute you think I am joking I can assure you I am not !! If this is not the God's honest truth may this this country be struck down with 2 redheaded female prime ministers for the next ten years !! It started off as a bit of a joke but I now average around 15 participants each trip and it's growing !

Let me know if you want me to arrange a character building trip for you and you mates !

All the best

Gazz

( the navigator on the sea of confusion )

Good evening Gaz
Where are you situated ? Wes and I would love to come, it comes down to time as we both still work full time .

Gaz
E mail.......muzbry@yahoo.com

Hey Muzbry

Just sent you an email and it bouced back with "system error "

is that email address correct?


Cheers


Gazz

Good morning Gaz

muzbry@yahoo.com.au

Yanks shot down a out-of-control Satallite that look like it was going to hit the US mainland about 10 or so years ago. They used a anti-sat missle that was lanuched from a US Navy Cruiser.

Pete,
I know what you are talking about, I haven't heard one bad word about them.

Do it easy,
RA.

hi
i was toldand also read it in an article in the press that the great wall is built using mitsubitshi engine/ trans and drive train and suspension parts so why wouldn't it go well
mm are getting rid of old stock in this way and great wall will benefit with on going sales with reliable components
cheers

Bill,
yes as you said they will dominate and they started this back in the early 70's.

I only posted this as that little piece of crap I drive has exceeded my wildest expectations when it comes to reliability and cost. Carting me it returns 6l/100k on the highway and with 5 big blokes in the car i get 7/7.5l/100k. Not bad for a piece of crap.

Have a good one
RA.

RA, we need snap of 5 burly miners hanging out of the yundai mate :-)))))

DIL has one with over 300 thou on the clock.

Fred.

Fred,
Would take and send you a pic but guess what and I don't like to gloat about I am on holidays for 10 weeks, boys in the back of the very fast 2 door sports get a bit peeved off about the room back there.

Best part of the trip is when I go out to pass and wait for the surge of power when the turbo kicks in, then I think, hang on this hasn't got a turbo. For the twisty back roads I use when we bypass Ayr I crank on the anti roll bar and last time I did this I cracked the windscreen (eat your hearts out V8 supercars). It is also fitted with the state of the art manual window winders and manual door locks. Speedo also has an inbuilt safety device as it reads a dollar nine when it is really only doing a dollar. Long range tank comes standard at 42 litres.

It is also rated for deep water crossings, have crossed Yellow Gin creek twice when the road was closed to all but trucks and four wheel drives, I just hooked in behind the cow catches on the back of a couple of B doubles. Coppers just shook their heads when they saw me, I was so close they didn't know I was behind the trucks until it was to late. Before anyone gets up me about this I had already found out the depth before hand from other trucks and the guys in the B doubles knew I was there.

Go the mighty white lightning, two door and very fast sports Yundai.

Will be going to the Flinders ranges shortly but I have decided to use my Cruiser, the Yundai would probably pull the van in half with it's blistering acceleration.

Have a good one,
RA.

Good onya RA.....hope ya get to have a good beak in the Flinders Ranges.

BTW....good to see someone else has used the flooded crossing manouvre behind a semi. B double even better. I can remember doing it right up the clacker of a semi near Narrabri many years ago through a flooded causeway. It was planned with the semi driver's knowledge. Works a treat. Wouldn't be game to try now though.

Cheers mate.

Fred.

Mate,
they already sell their light commercial range here and have a fairly large dealer network

RA.

Yes Rockage you are correct - the Foton trucks (Aumark) have been here for some time. What I was referring to was the release of the "ute" range including the 4x4 model. These are still undergoing compliance testing etc for Australian standards. My understanding is that the 4x4 range will not be available for sale until next year (although some are here for testing) - but I will stand corrected if thats not the case.
Cheers

I've got a m8 with one - open up the bonnet and guess what's stamped on the head - Mitsubishi. He's happy as with it, had it for over a year and it hasn't misse a beat.

For all those knocking Chinese product, think back to what we used to say about stuff out of Japan...

Sure, there's some crap coming out of China, but the same could be said for most countries.

And on a side note - saw on SBS the other night, and I can't remember which city in the States, but they have a Chinese company building their new bridge - quality as good as American built but for about 3/4 of the price.

Absolutly no different to what any other manufacturing country has done in years gone by ,,

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I thought they do own it because they have lent them most of their money. It's an interesting twist to the capitalist/communist struggle. The Chinese are way smarter than the Russians were mark my words.

Get yourselves a copy of the book " 1421" by Gavin Menzies , puts China into perspective ,

Gday Mike
Ugly grows on you . 6 mths time you wont notice them , they will blend with all the others that look the same.

Ugly grows on you . 6 mths time you wont notice them , they will blend with all the others that look the same.


Muz..... he wasn't talking about wimmen mate :-))))))))))))

Sorry :-) LOL

Fred.

Gday Fred
Not to sure if i can read that to my wife...hahah

That's interesting Andrew. I thought the more a vehicle collapsed around you the more chance you have of not getting hurt. The logic being that every bend and buckle absorbs and disperses impact/energy.

Your comment about retro fitting old vehicles. Do you mean they are less safe because they are not engineered to collapse?

Have you got a link about great wall crash testing?

And Toyota 4x4s are high on the list as being safe ? Think again , in the real world , volume sales times x amount of milage x crashes x cost of repairs x deaths = ??? Any and every vehicle in Australia is only as safe as the Driver and /or the other driver that you /they ran into.

Great Walls have a 2 star crash rating, most of the other utes - D Max etc are only 3 star so not a lot better.

A lot of people here appear to hang sh*t on any new product.

Andrew,
this maybe of interest to you.

Toyota/ Great wall

Have a good one
RA.

Wow 4 stars for the Great Wall. Now that's surprising.

And there is an awfull large PRICE GAP between a GreatWall ute and a VW ute so it stands to reason that one would have higher ANCAP rating , inbuilt safety costs but just as night follows day safety aspects in vehicles trickle down the price line , a current GreatWall ute has a lot more inbuilt safety features at a less price than a 10 yr old Highlux.